That is the way I am seeing this pairing working as well. 2 guys with size that will be problematic for backlines (given they are healthy) that both have excellent first touches. Watching Hassli this year, he really holds up the ball well and gets position on the edge and middle of the box. With Kouvermans lurking for high balls and spills it really could be a productive pairing.Originally Posted by Yohan
Novel talking about footy again. I like that
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I want to share this Kevin Payne story from a DC United Supporter
***
19 May 2001
Crew Stadium
Cowlumbus, OH
Post Game
Me (Weaving ever so slightly): How the hell do we get back downtown from this place?
Buddy (Weaving even more slightly): Dunno, where are the cabs? The bus? What kind of backwater is this?
Me: Excuse me Mister can we catch a ride back downtown with you (repeat a dozen times)
Mister: No. (repeat a dozen times)
Buddy: Excuse me fellow United supporter can we catch a ride back downtown? (repeat half a dozen times)
Fellow United Supporter: Sorry car full (repeat half a dozen times).
Me (Listing slightly to port now. Parking lot almost empty. MeridianFC very sad.): Hey, isn't that the DCU team bus?
Buddy (listing slightly to starboard): Yes, I believe it is.
Me (approach bus door, knock on bus door): Excuse me kind bus driver, we're two lost and lonely DCU fans who have no way to get downtown, could we just, you know catch a ride to the city limits?
Bus Driver: No way, no how.
Buddy and I walking away, heads down, contemplating the long dark trek back on the side of I-71.
Kevin Payne: Hey, is it just you two?
Me: Er, yes.
Kevin Payne: Get on the bus.
Thank you for 17 years of service and looking out for the fans.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
^^^ Sounds like he would be a fit.
We need more buses though.
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That is the way I am seeing this pairing working as well. 2 guys with size that will be problematic for backlines (given they are healthy) that both have excellent first touches. Watching Hassli this year, he really holds up the ball well and gets position on the edge and middle of the box. With Kouvermans lurking for high balls and spills it really could be a productive pairing.
Novel talking about footy again. I like that
Exactly. They are nowhere near being the same player. I think it's just an over simplification of player and position. Sure they are both big but both attack in different ways. Hassli generally plays farther withdrawn than Koevs ever is and as said, Koev is usually lurking in the box. Now you get a solid AM behind them and we're in business. Silva is not that AM either.
just use the one PM throws everybody under.^^^ Sounds like he would be a fit.
We need more buses though.
[gets hat]
a ha ha heh he hoo.. ha
I can't think of any team anywhere ever, that made two big target men up front work. I think they are damn near identical, personally.That is the way I am seeing this pairing working as well. 2 guys with size that will be problematic for backlines (given they are healthy) that both have excellent first touches. Watching Hassli this year, he really holds up the ball well and gets position on the edge and middle of the box. With Kouvermans lurking for high balls and spills it really could be a productive pairing.
Novel talking about footy again. I like that
Happy to be discussing this also.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
A brave man, this Kevin Payne.
"Toronto (5-21-8) missed the playoffs for the sixth straight year since joining the league in 2007. This season, the club posted franchise worsts for wins (five), losses (21), points (23), goals against (62) and winless string (14)."
I don't think Koeverman is a target man. He doesn't seem to play like one?
Also, when Wondo wasn't playing, Gordon/Lenhart combo worked for SJ...
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
And Koev/Hassli > Gordon/Lehart by a country mile.
IMO Kevin Payne (if rumors are true) needs to roll in here like an old west sheriff, draw down on Mariner and Cochrane, and open fire.
Cochrane & Mariner out before any more major trades coming/going can be made. I agree with many saying Thomas Rongen and Bob de Klerk get moved in the organization again, and we're blast-off for next season boys.
Payne is not getting rid of Mariner. Even if day one he wants to, he won't. It is almost December. He is not going to bring in a new guy 2 months before preseason. Also, he is going to want to see for himself if the problems stem from squad issues or Mariner/other staff issues.
Re Koevs, that is sort of true.
Re SJ, disagree. Lenhart can run. He has real wheels. His speed tends to not be noticed, because he is such a pest.
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“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
Big bird has almost been used exclusively as a target man by his managers. He bangs bodies and fights for balls in the air because hes good at that
I miss the most important news of the year!!!!!
Kevin Payne, if given the keys, will totally remake TFC.
As someone who followed DC before TFC came along, you guys have no idea how big this is.
Kevin Payne being involved cannot be compared in any way to MoJo.
This is the biggest news this year, maybe ever. The problem is, no one will recognize it outside of a few MLS geeks.
Not true, if Payne moves him to a more appropriate role, there is nothing wrong with Cochrane at TFC, The problem is that Cochrane is incompetent as a GM. Personally, I'd use him as the team's travel agent.
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MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
My prediction is he will keep Mariner for now, but Mariner is under notice. The first losing streak, Payne will throw him under the bus and back it back and forth a few times. Then, Thomas Rongen can't be too far behind as the new coach, at least on an interim basis. He and Payne have similar perspectives on football, provided they can get along it could be a really fruitful business relationship.
Last edited by Oldtimer; 11-27-2012 at 05:30 PM.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
So this bad news for Mariner and Co, but good news for us? This is a good hire IMO. Kudos to ML$E for hiring a well experienced president. Let's see how much power/control this new president will have with this club.
That's the key thing. If Anselmi can give him the autonomy that the Leafs and the Raptors have, then things are finally looking up. If Anselmi micromanages him, then nothing good will happen.
I think even Anselmi realizes that things need to change. "Cyclical" only works as an excuse for a little while.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
This is why I don't want to get my hopes up right now.
you're on today my friend.
Anselmi will grant Payne full autonomy. Logic dictates that an executive of Payne's stature (by MLS standards) would never agree to terms otherwise.
The only negative aspect of this potential hiring is that Payne will be most likely be saddled with Mariner to start the season as opposed to starting his tenure with a clean slate, in what has become an incredibly frustrating pattern for all of MLSE's sports franchises as of late.
I wonder for how long Payne knew he was coming here, and if he already has a new coach in mind.
I am outwarly optimistically cautious about this hiring. Kevin Payne has the perfect MLS pedigree and league success this team needs to turn things around and get them to be winners. But this is Toronto FC we're talking about, the elephant's graveyard for reputations. If the FO gives him the control he needs to operate, and they stay the hell away from him (Anselmi, you assface, I'm looking at you!), then success finally is at hand. If not, then it's the same old shit we have to put up with.
TORONTO FC, 2017 MLS CHAMPIONS!!! (Still the greatest in league history!)
I don't get why this is such a widely held view. Payne may know Rongen well but may well know Tom Soehn, Curt Onalfo and Peter Nowak even better, all of whom were coaches in MLS much more recently than Rongen was.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
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I'm still confused as to why it's become this weird manifest destiny among a growing number of supporters that not only is Rongen going to be our coach, but he's going to be an amazing one - and I have nothing against him whatsoever.
Anyway, this is exactly the kind of guy we needed to be named "President", but it's only half of the equation. How much power and autonomy he gets is what matters, and we have no answer for that yet.
Still, I'm pleased.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
I really want to be happy about this news. But too many times this team has gotten me excited over a new addition to the club, only to have it all fall apart later. Please, soccer gods, please let something go right for this team!
Garber has said and confirms exactly this: "I've been a party to some of the changes that they're going to make, that they hopefully will be able to announce shortly that we are hopeful will get them back on track." - Garber
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2012/11/26/mls_commissioner_tfc_bold_moves/
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So Brave:
I only hope he survives the first season.
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It's possible you're misunderstanding what he meant by being "party" to them, considering how the league works. Further down the article:
Entirely possible he simply meant he was aware of impending moves, and if he said the same thing last year despite no management shakeup of any kind, I'd say it's likely.The commissioner said almost the same thing when asked about Toronto during last year's call.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
speculation will lead to nowhere? I'm just waiting to see what happens
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
There's dare I say it a note of optimism in this thread.
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