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    Default 'Mariner Out' thread

    I think its time that we (the Red Patch Boys, Registered Members of this forum, and TFC fans in general) made a statement that we all agree that Paul Mariner needs to be relieved of his responsibilities as head coach of TFC. I think we all agree that Mariner hasn't shown any form to justify continuing through to next season as manager. I was a "fan" of Mariner to start with, and I won't hide from that. However, even the hardest Mariner "fan' has to admit that he hasn't done anywhere near enough to justify being head coach into 2013. There doesn't need to be much conversation about this, just a total agreement from the RPB's that Mariner has to go. This needs to be a complete vote of "no confidence" from the RPB's and TFC fans.

    Please agree with a "Mariner Out" below so we can get numbers behind us to relieve him of the head coach job. I will start off below.
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    Mariner OUT.

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    Please lets get rid of Mariner I am In

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    Get rid of Mariner far away from TFC ASAP! He's a cancer along with Earl Cochrane. They both need to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    I think its time that we (the RPB's) made a statement that we all agree that Paul Mariner needs to be relieved of his responsibilities as head coach of TFC. I think we all agree that Mariner hasn't shown any form to justify continuing through to next season as manager. I was a "fan" of Mariner to start with, and I won't hide from that. However, even the hardest Mariner "fan' has to admit that he hasn't done anywhere near enough to justify being head coach into 2013. There doesn't need to be much conversation about this, just a total agreement from the RPB's that Mariner has to go. This needs to be a complete vote of "no confidence" from the RPB's.

    Please agree with a "Mariner Out" below so we can get numbers behind us to relieve him of the head coach job. I will start off below.

    WHILE I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT MARINER MUST BE FIRED ASAP!!

    Mariner thinks differently
    John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro Latest sportsnet.ca audio: Mariner tells @FAN590 that #TFC made progress under him -- http://bit.ly/S8JFDp - #tfc @Sportsnet

    MARINER OUT!!
    Great love does not exist without joy and without great suffering ,that's why One club is worth only as much as its fans !


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    like i said in the todays news tread.....do the right thing PM and fall on yr sword..
    THE COCH AND CLOWN OUT NOW...

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    i was excited this meant he was out. fuuuuuuuu

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    Yeah its clear that the guy is not cut out for being a manager and the rumour that Aron Winter was here on a vacation while trying to keep Mariner down in his place is a last ditch attempt at trying to curb the fan hate for Mariner. If Winter was sent packing I dont think that Mariner has much time left, it all depends on the seat renewals.

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    Give him an extension! Mariner in!

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    If they are going to do it, now is the time. Not next June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    I think its time that we (the RPB's) made a statement that we all agree that Paul Mariner needs to be relieved of his responsibilities as head coach of TFC. I think we all agree that Mariner hasn't shown any form to justify continuing through to next season as manager. I was a "fan" of Mariner to start with, and I won't hide from that. However, even the hardest Mariner "fan' has to admit that he hasn't done anywhere near enough to justify being head coach into 2013. There doesn't need to be much conversation about this, just a total agreement from the RPB's that Mariner has to go. This needs to be a complete vote of "no confidence" from the RPB's.

    Please agree with a "Mariner Out" below so we can get numbers behind us to relieve him of the head coach job. I will start off below.
    Mariner Out. His management was a messy disaster, his player selection idiotic, his tactics near non-existent. Add that to the generally unprofessional conduct, and he doesn't have the head for it.

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    we stood in the pouring rain for 2 hours to watch the game sunday,

    at the end of the game we went over behind the bench and the coaching staff seen us and headed for the lockeroom, only malcom had the sense to come over to thank us for coming and he said sorry for the bad season.

    jimmy and paul engaged more with the crew fans chirping him then his own in red who traveled all that way for a shitty meaninglees game

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    Quote Originally Posted by London View Post
    we stood in the pouring rain for 2 hours to watch the game sunday,

    at the end of the game we went over behind the bench and the coaching staff seen us and headed for the lockeroom, only malcom had the sense to come over to thank us for coming and he said sorry for the bad season.

    jimmy and paul engaged more with the crew fans chirping him then his own in red who traveled all that way for a shitty meaninglees game
    Wow, that sucks, I can't believe it.

    Did you guys at least get any positive feedback from the players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auzzy View Post
    Wow, that sucks, I can't believe it.

    Did you guys at least get any positive feedback from the players?
    the players also did not come over, only malcom came over.

    i was quite dissapointed that they didn't even wave or give a nod, only freddy hall and logan emory made gestures to us during the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by London View Post
    the players also did not come over, only malcom came over.

    i was quite dissapointed that they didn't even wave or give a nod, only freddy hall and logan emory made gestures to us during the game
    Crap. I guess the evil reign of Aron Winter really is over. Expecting professionalism from players and coaches in acknowledging supporters, especially away support in crap conditions (in terms of both the weather and the team), is just asking WAY too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by London View Post
    we stood in the pouring rain for 2 hours to watch the game sunday,

    at the end of the game we went over behind the bench and the coaching staff seen us and headed for the lockeroom, only malcom had the sense to come over to thank us for coming and he said sorry for the bad season.

    jimmy and paul engaged more with the crew fans chirping him then his own in red who traveled all that way for a shitty meaninglees game
    They probably thought anyone willing to travel to support this mess must be seriously, certifiably insane and therefore not quite sure how to proceed.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but in marketing circles this is known as expanding the brand?

    But seriously, good on you guys for heading down there. Reminds me of Montreal, and in fact most of the season at BMO. In my books it's unforgivable to not acknowledge your supporters with more than a half hearted clap from mid-field.

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    Ryan Johnson for president

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    Quincy Amerikwa should be enough of a reason by itself. Can't wait to see who PM lines up from League 2 next January.

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    I think this is a fine initiative to undertake here, but I'd clarify one thing first - are you a Red Patch Boy (since you refer to us as "we")? As far as I can see, you aren't a member. Possible your status hasn't been updated?

    Either way, I agree with you. But if you want to organize something in the name of the group, you should at least become part of the group.

    - Scott
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    *sigh* I actually almost was brainwashed.
    to be fair i had been watching this presser for almost two + hours and didnt sleep much with the winds of sandy, but by the end i was almost like 'd'aw give the guy a full year' then i was looking at pm and ec side by side and was curious... how would new yorks duo of hans backe and erik soler look up there in their place?
    i mean now is the time to make a move *if* our coaching staff is deemed unfit.
    • the 'majority' of our player contracts are in option years - new coach can decide who he wants/who goes
    • hassli (a dp) including in those players on an option year
    • first pick in next years draft
    • additional allocation money
    • first pick in the reallocation draft from players come back to the mls from abroad

    really now is the season to make the change when we have all of these pieces that we can fiddle with in the jig-saw that is TFC.
    is mariner unfit? in my opinion yes, is cochrane unfit? also a yes. is that my job to decide? thankfully no. (i wouldn't want you guys breathing down my neck)
    we'll probably see mariner back, and yes we could give him a *full* season to see what he can properly do, but ... its a big risk.


    edit; just got pissed off remembering that reggie lambe gave away 'we have a bermudan on trial' HES BRINGING IN ANOTHER SHITTY PLAYER because of his nationality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    I think this is a fine initiative to undertake here, but I'd clarify one thing first - are you a Red Patch Boy (since you refer to us as "we")? As far as I can see, you aren't a member. Possible your status hasn't been updated?

    Either way, I agree with you. But if you want to organize something in the name of the group, you should at least become part of the group.

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    I'm going to PM you on this.

    I don't think it would quite have the same ring to it if I had written "as a user of this board". The majority of users of this board would recognise themselves as "members" of it, and the majority of people are users and not members. As this is in the general section, and not in the private members area, I would assume then, that its recognised as a public "membership" of the forum rather than member of the group statement. I hope that's ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    I'm going to PM you on this.

    I don't think it would quite have the same ring to it if I had written "as a user of this board". The majority of users of this board would recognise themselves as "members" of it, and the majority of people are users and not members. As this is in the general section, and not in the private members area, I would assume then, that its recognised as a public "membership" of the forum rather than member of the group statement. I hope that's ok?
    It was only a minor quibble - no big deal. I'm glad you identify yourself with the community here; there was just some confusion about your choice of words. And thank you for the PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    It was only a minor quibble - no big deal. I'm glad you identify yourself with the community here; there was just some confusion about your choice of words. And thank you for the PM.

    - Scott
    No problem. Sorry about the word choice - maybe I should have said "TFC fans" rather than RPB's. But either way, I hope this thread gets read somehow by MLSE and they understand where the fans stand on Mariner as head coach.

    I really wanted to post this thread - especially as I was a "fan" and backing Mariner to start with. I think its more poignant that a original defender of Mariner is now asking for him to be removed. The people on this forum all remember how I defended him as hard as I could through June and July. I hold my hands up and declare that I was wrong. He isn't the guy to take us forward. I've been accused of "moving the goalposts" on here in the past - but I want to say that I wanted Aron Winter removed after he took us 0-9 - I'm stucking with my opinion and Mariner should ALSO be removed for going 14 games without a win. I definitely don't want to be accused of moving any posts or being inconsistent on this. 14 games without a win is simply not good enough. For sure, I will take the excuses of having 2/3 of the salary injured. But in the end of the day, you still have to get results. 9 games was too long for Winter, and equally 9 plus games is too long for Mariner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    No problem. Sorry about the word choice - maybe I should have said "TFC fans" rather than RPB's. But either way, I hope this thread gets read somehow by MLSE and they understand where the fans stand on Mariner as head coach.

    I really wanted to post this thread - especially as I was a "fan" and backing Mariner to start with. I think its more poignant that a original defender of Mariner is now asking for him to be removed. The people on this forum all remember how I defended him as hard as I could through June and July. I hold my hands up and declare that I was wrong. He isn't the guy to take us forward. I've been accused of "moving the goalposts" on here in the past - but I want to say that I wanted Aron Winter removed after he took us 0-9 - I'm stucking with my opinion and Mariner should ALSO be removed for going 14 games without a win. I definitely don't want to be accused of moving any posts or being inconsistent on this. 14 games without a win is simply not good enough. For sure, I will take the excuses of having 2/3 of the salary injured. But in the end of the day, you still have to get results. 9 games was too long for Winter, and equally 9 plus games is too long for Mariner.
    It is nice of you to stick with your position to re-evaluate the manager at the season end. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    I think this is a fine initiative to undertake here, but I'd clarify one thing first - are you a Red Patch Boy (since you refer to us as "we")? As far as I can see, you aren't a member. Possible your status hasn't been updated?

    Either way, I agree with you. But if you want to organize something in the name of the group, you should at least become part of the group.

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    I think the question you should be asking is why the RPB have done nothing to date on this themselves. All protests organised at last game were not official RPB santicioned protests.

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    I also agree now is the time to pull the trigger, and give the new guy a fairly clean slate to work with.


    And this time dont undermine/cut him off at the knees.

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    PM is clearly not equipped to be a head coach. By his age he would have had a track record, if he was any good. He has nothing to teach younger players to. He can not establish a strategy or direction for the club. He is out of place.
    I do not know how Anselmi could justify keeping him longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starter View Post
    I do not know how Anselmi could justify keeping him longer.
    I'm sure Anselmi views his on the job experience at TFC as being more valuable than anyone's experience elsewhere. It's a general MLSE philosophy to promote people from within the organization and keep them on for as long as possible. See Tom Anselmi being promoted to president of MLSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajax TFC View Post
    I'm sure Anselmi views his on the job experience at TFC as being more valuable than anyone's experience elsewhere. It's a general MLSE philosophy to promote people from within the organization and keep them on for as long as possible. See Tom Anselmi being promoted to president of MLSE
    Tom had a history of letting people go, they are all outsiders to MLSE anyway. I think Tom has problems finding 'right' people this time. May be with Mariner out to Europe Tom would have an opportunity to talk to some, or this is just my wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starter View Post
    PM is clearly not equipped to be a head coach. By his age he would have had a track record, if he was any good. He has nothing to teach younger players to. He can not establish a strategy or direction for the club. He is out of place.
    I do not know how Anselmi could justify keeping him longer.
    Bingo. Here it is right here. The guy is 60 years old and doesn't have a positive record being a first team manager. Actually, he doesn't have much of any record being a first team manager. How is he qualified again?

 

 

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