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    With the drop in Season Ticket prices... will you renew?
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    i was out at the old prices but will renew at $190 bucks. They have earned 1 more year to see if they can right this ship.

    i am happy with the discount but kind of feel it is like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound

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    Quote Originally Posted by London View Post
    i was out at the old prices but will renew at $190 bucks. They have earned 1 more year to see if they can right this ship.

    i am happy with the discount but kind of feel it is like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound
    This says it all for me.

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    voted yes.

    I have two sets of tickets - a pair in 112 and a pair in the prawns. IF there was no price drop, I would have relocated the prawns into a cheaper section. With the revised price, I will keep both pairs where they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkdale View Post
    voted yes.

    I have two sets of tickets - a pair in 112 and a pair in the prawns. IF there was no price drop, I would have relocated the prawns into a cheaper section. With the revised price, I will keep both pairs where they are.
    can you tell me the benefit of having two pairs in separate locations? i have 4 seats together, and i use them to take fam and friends... but ive met quite a few people who have two pairs in separate locations.
    thx

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    one pair is for me, in the supporters section, and the other pair is for my friend who often brings his young son to games.
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    No.

    The week after next, I will be flying to Glasgow to see Celtic play Barcelona. That Champions League ticket is $15 cheaper than the cost of yesterday's ticket.

    The new ticket price highlights the fact that this product has been over priced from the start. A reduction is no more than desperate ploy to save what little hardcore support they have and avoid the scene of a half empty stadium like we saw yesterday.

    They have already taken money from me for 6 years now and they still want me to give them more, just not as much as. What have they offered me in return? Nothing.

    Until I see some real change and more importantly, commitment to football, I won't be back. This organization has a lengthy history of promising much and delivering little, MLSE have done this for decades.

    I called it the "Bad Boyfriend Syndrome". They treat you like shit but keep coming back to you with flowers and chocolate, telling you, "I'm gonna change, Baby!" Ask a Leaf or Raptor fan how the relationship is going? They have the same boyfriend. Like everybody else I hoped it would be different but really why would it?

    It's not that I no longer like TFC, I hope they actually do get better but I won't give Anselmi or MLSE another penny until they show me commitment to football. And to be honest, I just can't see that happening. Another new coach? New Club President? How about a Director of Football?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto_Bhoy View Post
    The week after next, I will be flying to Glasgow to see Celtic play Barcelona. That Champions League ticket is $15 cheaper than the cost of yesterday's ticket.
    not to get all freekonomics on you or anything, but what's the price of the plane ticket? It's false economy to think that a Celtic-barca tickets is actually cheaper when you have to go across an ocean to be there.


    I understand your point, but had to point out that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto_Bhoy View Post
    No.

    The new ticket price highlights the fact that this product has been over priced from the start. A reduction is no more than desperate ploy to save what little hardcore support they have and avoid the scene of a half empty stadium like we saw yesterday.

    Until I see some real change and more importantly, commitment to football, I won't be back. This organization has a lengthy history of promising much and delivering little, MLSE have done this for decades.

    It's not that I no longer like TFC, I hope they actually do get better but I won't give Anselmi or MLSE another penny until they show me commitment to football. And to be honest, I just can't see that happening. Another new coach? New Club President? How about a Director of Football?
    You say no, you need real change but only define it as a director of football. If they get one before the deadline will you renew? Everything else you say is unquantified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fort York Redcoat View Post
    You say no, you need real change but only define it as a director of football. If they get one before the deadline will you renew? Everything else you say is unquantified.
    FYR, I think if you read my post I said:

    "Until I see some real change and more importantly, commitment to football, I won't be back. This organization has a lengthy history of promising much and delivering little, MLSE have done this for decades."
    I have very little confidence in this ownership group. When I heard that MLSE had been awarded the franchise I actually cringed. But at least we had a team and more importantly a park! MLSE's reputation proceeded them and frankly, they didn't disappoint.

    It was my 80 year old father who convinced his three sons to "support the home team"! Tough to argue so we did, in the hopes that this might be different but of course, we were wrong. He opted out after Season 4, "This is unwatchable".

    I have followed professional football in this country for over 45 years. As a boy in Vancouver going to old Callister Park with 8,000 crammed into an old wooden box that only held 5, watching immigrant British, Italian and Eastern Europeans finding a new life and playing amazing football. Magic! Watching the Whitecaps in the NASL at Empire Staduim. Brilliant! And then coming to Toronto to go to school and seeing Metro-Crotia and Blizzard. Fantastic!

    But this? 7 coaches in 6 years, really? Finishing with the worst record in franchise history, really? Another season with no play-offs, really? Tom Anselmi buying support with a slash of ticket prices, really?

    Unquantified? You work for MLSE, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto_Bhoy View Post
    FYR, I think if you read my post I said:



    I have very little confidence in this ownership group. When I heard that MLSE had been awarded the franchise I actually cringed. But at least we had a team and more importantly a park! MLSE's reputation proceeded them and frankly, they didn't disappoint.

    It was my 80 year old father who convinced his three sons to "support the home team"! Tough to argue so we did, in the hopes that this might be different but of course, we were wrong. He opted out after Season 4, "This is unwatchable".

    I have followed professional football in this country for over 45 years. As a boy in Vancouver going to old Callister Park with 8,000 crammed into an old wooden box that only held 5, watching immigrant British, Italian and Eastern Europeans finding a new life and playing amazing football. Magic! Watching the Whitecaps in the NASL at Empire Staduim. Brilliant! And then coming to Toronto to go to school and seeing Metro-Crotia and Blizzard. Fantastic!

    But this? 7 coaches in 6 years, really? Finishing with the worst record in franchise history, really? Another season with no play-offs, really? Tom Anselmi buying support with a slash of ticket prices, really?

    Unquantified? You work for MLSE, right?
    This is a great story but it didn't say what you want to see (other than past games but we don't have a time machine) but instead an unquantified element. You want to see commitment to football. What does that entail in your opinion? A commitment usually means promises. I have a hard time thinking that's all you need to hear.

    Real moves like a new manager and director of football seem to be a common step for people looking for a hint of vision. I'd like to see both of those.

    Are there any real moves that would get you back for renewal/seasons?

    And btw I think unquantified excuses and promises would be the tools of MLSE when struggling not pointing to specifics to improve, don't you?
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    Of course Parky but the price of the ticket is same whether you live in Toronto or Glasgow.

    I'm going to visit family and take care of some business in London.

    It's still cheaper for me to see Barca than the Impact. Fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto_Bhoy View Post
    Of course Parky but the price of the ticket is same whether you live in Toronto or Glasgow.

    I'm going to visit family and take care of some business in London.

    It's still cheaper for me to see Barca than the Impact. Fact.
    The Barca game seems to be sold out. The cheapest Spartak Moskva I can find is £40 in what would be their equivalent of 119. More expensive than our Champions League games, but perhaps the cheaper tickets sold out (unlike ours). The season ending game (and the 4 other premium matches) is the most expensive game TFC has this year. Our Champions League games were the cheapest.

    Celtic's website indicates that their season tickets start at £466. That's about $CAN 740. That make's our old cheapest seasons at $361 in 2012 (let alone $190 next year) look like a bargain! And this for a league that's currently ranked 26th in Europe? Surely Celtic's tickets are extremely over-priced for the level of competition your seeing. But they are close to sold-out. And that's really what it comes down to. Supply and demand. Toronto can put a crap product on the pitch, and still charge the highest prices in the league, if people are willing to come (think Maple Leafs). But if they stop coming, like TFC, the prices will fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nfitz View Post
    The Barca game seems to be sold out. The cheapest Spartak Moskva I can find is £40 in what would be their equivalent of 119. More expensive than our Champions League games, but perhaps the cheaper tickets sold out (unlike ours). The season ending game (and the 4 other premium matches) is the most expensive game TFC has this year. Our Champions League games were the cheapest.

    Celtic's website indicates that their season tickets start at £466. That's about $CAN 740. That make's our old cheapest seasons at $361 in 2012 (let alone $190 next year) look like a bargain! And this for a league that's currently ranked 26th in Europe? Surely Celtic's tickets are extremely over-priced for the level of competition your seeing. But they are close to sold-out. And that's really what it comes down to. Supply and demand. Toronto can put a crap product on the pitch, and still charge the highest prices in the league, if people are willing to come (think Maple Leafs). But if they stop coming, like TFC, the prices will fall.
    I'm a season ticket holder at Celtic Park. My Barca ticket is £28 which works out about $44.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto_Bhoy View Post
    I'm a season ticket holder at Celtic Park. My Barca ticket is £28 which works out about $44.
    How much is your season ticket? How does it compare to the cheapest (you probably have better information than I can find).

    Still, that seems rather expensive ... TFC season ticket holders were paying $17 for Champions League seats for the cheap seats. For $44 each to our matches, it was Dark Grey.

    Though it's all supply and demand. Celtic Champions League games are pretty much sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto_Bhoy View Post
    Of course Parky but the price of the ticket is same whether you live in Toronto or Glasgow.

    I'm going to visit family and take care of some business in London.

    It's still cheaper for me to see Barca than the Impact. Fact.
    that would be a fact if you lived there, which you don't. It's still a false economy. A pineapple in Hawaii might cost a quarter, but if it's costs $2 here than THAT is the price of it. I can't fly to Hawaii every time I want a pineapple. The same could be said about a cup of coffee in Columbia or bottle of wine in France.


    I know this isn't really the point of the debate, and I agree with you that it sucks that we pay more for D-grade soccer than others pay for A-grade football, but because of where we live - that's the economic reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkdale View Post
    that would be a fact if you lived there, which you don't. It's still a false economy. A pineapple in Hawaii might cost a quarter, but if it's costs $2 here than THAT is the price of it. I can't fly to Hawaii every time I want a pineapple. The same could be said about a cup of coffee in Columbia or bottle of wine in France.
    That's true - unless you happen to be in Hawaii for a family visit/business as was stated, then a pineapple does in fact cost a quarter. If you're in Hawaii just for the pineapple that's one thing, if you're there anyway and decide you want a pineapple that's something completely different.

    As for the topic - I'll be back next year. I have this pipedream about bringing my daughter to games reguarly and I think the easiest way to do this is seasons. I think this price decrease has bought them only one more season though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben - D.O.W. View Post
    That's true - unless you happen to be in Hawaii for a family visit/business as was stated, then a pineapple does in fact cost a quarter. If you're in Hawaii just for the pineapple that's one thing, if you're there anyway and decide you want a pineapple that's something completely different.

    As for the topic - I'll be back next year. I have this pipedream about bringing my daughter to games reguarly and I think the easiest way to do this is seasons. I think this price decrease has bought them only one more season though.
    Season 6 - "Reducing Support To Only The Certifiably Insane"
    Season 7 - "How you like them Pineapples"

    I'd sign up for Pineapples at $190 a year. I won't be able to. Whatever the poll says, these will be sold out. I'm not paying the higher prices for Pineapples from a different section of the farm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmonyoureds View Post
    Season 6 - "Reducing Support To Only The Certifiably Insane"
    Season 7 - "How you like them Pineapples"

    I'd sign up for Pineapples at $190 a year. I won't be able to. Whatever the poll says, these will be sold out. I'm not paying the higher prices for Pineapples from a different section of the farm.
    Come back to 111 - the pineapples are only slightly more expensive.
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    I am going to give it one more year. I will move my seats from the North Stands and take advantage of some lower pricing. I do this in hopes that we will see a management change very soon and bring in the direction this club needs. Stadium might look funny with a concentration of fans in the cheaper seats while up the middle may be empty.

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    There's a bad tv commercial on right now that sums up this dilemma for people: when someone offers to sell you a $10 banana for $5, it's still a $5 banana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    There's a bad tv commercial on right now that sums up this dilemma for people: when someone offers to sell you a $10 rotten banana for $5, it's still a $5 rotten banana.
    FYP, to translate this ad to the TFC situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    There's a bad tv commercial on right now that sums up this dilemma for people: when someone offers to sell you a $10 banana for $5, it's still a $5 banana.

    That is why I will not be back untill I see real change. For me it is realy not about price but about product, and not a winning product, but a product that I can believe in and hope for something better. I have not had that since the end of 2010, when I realized that this club was build of a fuondation of shit.

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    That is the same time my son and I bailed,Trane ,and I see nothing to bring us back. I am still emotionally attached to whoever is on the field on a given day ( TFC would make a fortune selling programmes every game so fans can see who is playing and coaching ) but really resent the blowing of a wonderful opportunity to bring half decent soccer to Toronto by MLSE.
    The price ( way too high for the fans ) of FO arrogance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary_canuck View Post
    That is the same time my son and I bailed,Trane ,and I see nothing to bring us back. I am still emotionally attached to whoever is on the field on a given day ( TFC would make a fortune selling programmes every game so fans can see who is playing and coaching ) but really resent the blowing of a wonderful opportunity to bring half decent soccer to Toronto by MLSE.
    The price ( way too high for the fans ) of FO arrogance.
    I am still attached despite my better judgment, but I deeply resnet MLSE. I hate them like I have never hated an ownership gourp, and my first love is owned by fucking Berlusconi, so it tells you how much I hate them.

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    I don't know how to figure out the value proposition. The messaging around the plan for 2013 was insufficient. What the hell does "we're reviewing everything at season end" mean?

    Tell me what the review shows. Tell me what the management team, and budget, for 2013 are.
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    Voted no.

    No, until I see a new President/GM with total control. Meaning Anselmi no longer makes decisions about team operations, staffing, trades, picks, etc...

    If my seats cost me $190/each for the year, then I would renew at that price.

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    I'll likely not buy season seats for another couple years (assuming of course change takes place in the interim). Price drop or not, you'll still be able to get fantastic seats to any game on game day. And as jloome said, they're still trying to sell you a $5 bannana. Bottom line is that next year's team/management is going to look a lot like this year's. To expect different results would be silly, especially when Uncle Paul and The Earl Himself are running the show.

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    And I don't fly to Scotland every time I want to see a live professional football game.

    ???
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    I had said i wouldn't renew, but these prices are to tempting. I will renew again. I'm so weak, lol.

 

 

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