Clearly it's just opinion.Originally Posted by Greatest Ripoff
This game is always changing structure at some level here in NA. NASL is a venture to improve the overall level of play here. The league is so small and young that they will be talked about as unstable for years. I'm glad for the exodus of stronger teams to try and add a level to the NA structure. Especially since there was so much animosity or bad feels about some of the USL structure.
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http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...reserve-league
http://uslpro.uslsoccer.com/home/690349.html
Formal announcement
for 2013, 4 USL teams will have MLS affiliations. Those 4 MLS teams will not be fielding a team in 2013 MLS Reserve League. USL teams will play home and away game vs an MLS reserve team, and the results will count in respective leagues.
reading between the lines, 2014 seems to be the year where USL is reorganized with MLS reserve teams joining in, for those MLS teams that wish to field a team in USL
Last edited by Yohan; 01-23-2013 at 03:41 PM.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Sporting KC announces 2 year affiliation with Orlando City
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2905701.shtml?cat=565
Rochester Rhinos to be affiliated with New England
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2905701.shtml?cat=565
In an affiliated team, the MLS team has to send at least 4 players to USL affiliate's team
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
This is good news. Glad we're going to do our own thing and not affiliate with Rochester.
Hopefully the next stage of this comes to fruition shortly: ie. reserve league teams playing games in USL or the reserve league bulking up on the number of games it plays.
Agreed.
We spent all the money on the training facilities and such. Why not continue it with the reserve team, this is really exciting.
Academy players will now have the option to play play on the reserve team year round, and go to university/college at home
Yeah let's hope for a real solution this time out.
The reserve league in the past was even worse than advertised. Not only were there very few games, but teams also used them for a variety of different reasons. TFC pushed their own young players aside at times to make room for trialists, guys trying to regain fitness, or whatever else was on the short term agenda. That's great if they played 30 times a year, but when that number is 10? That has to be seriously deflating for guys trying to become better professionals and get some game time.
Not that this is a TFC specific problem though... it's very much league wide.
http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/devo/?p=8668
More thoughts, from USL/Rochester POV
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/co...league-in-2013
No USL affiliation for TFC in 2013. TFC will have a reserve team.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
http://the11.ca/2013/01/24/montaglia...eams-in-canada
If a Canadian MLS team puts an USL affiliate in Canada, it won't receive a CSA D3 sanction
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Richmond Kickers set to announce affiliation with DC United
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/la...9bb30f31a.html
Philadelphia and Harrisburg City Islanders already has an affiliation prior to this announcement
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
TFC Reserves will be playing Pittsburgh Riverhounds twice. These games will be streamed from USL website.
Fri 7 June 7pm @ Pittsburgh
Sun 28 July in Toronto
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...ange-soccer-us
more MLS propaganda on the subject, though it says USL president is going to speak with CSA to get D3 sanction for USL
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Pittsburgh has a nice new 3,000 seat SSS (one of 3 USL-Pro teams with SSS, Charleston and Rochester are the others) riverside on opposite bank from downtown. I was planning a visit there even before the reserve league game was announced.
I like the direction this is going.
a ha ha heh he hoo.. ha
I'll be interested to see how that goes. The CSA seems to have put their flag down on the position that we can't be expected to piggyback the US leagues at all levels of the pyramid.
Knowing the way they operate though, they'll lose their backbone and retreat.
The Canadian teams have multiple options if the CSA doesn't budge.
(1) Continue to field reserve teams (probably not the best choice long-run)
(2) Affiliate with U.S. teams (not as unusual as you would think. In MLB, the Blue Jays are affiliated with 6 minor league clubs, only one of which is in Canada)
(3) Try to work out something equivalent between MLS and a yet-to-be-created local league
I think that #2 is the most likely outcome.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I think they'll have to take a look at the setup in England with the leagues below the conference.
Obviously it'll never be as "all-encompassing" as it is over there, but I think this is would serve as a guide (check it out) : http://thepyramid.info/
Also, screw whatever FIFA says and put aside the concept of national leagues. The best solution for soccer in North America (well, Canada and America) is a USSF/CSA partnership to oversee such a construct.
ooo... I might have to get one of these :
Duane says that the CSA won't stand in the way of Canadian Clubs participating in USL Pro:
http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/co...ds-to-be-takenAnd the CSA won't stand in their way. President Victor Montagliani confirmed with CSN today that they have no intention to block the Canadian MLS teams from playing reserve games as part of USL-Pro. The only caveat, he made, was that the reserve teams would not be sanctioned separately from their senior teams and, as such, would not be able to participate in Canadian competitions – most notably the Voyageurs Cup.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/t...rtnership.html
More details
If an MLS team chose to set up an USL team, that USL team can have 30 players, among other things. Avg cost to run an USL team is 2-3 mil/yr
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
^ If you look at the quote from Oldtimer and the post from Yohan that sets up an interesting conundrum.
Looks like we can have a reserve side in USL Pro but not a stand-alone team. MLS is migrating towards a system where every MLS franchise is affiliated with a USL team or has a farm team. CSA really wants their D3 league, but can they get it? I have my doubts. If we get forced into a slow to start, unstable, and sub-par D3 league by the CSA at the expense of a USL franchise I will be pissed. If they insist on this Canadian D3 league they better get it done quick, and properly.
That being said, I fully expect with the MLS clubs being pros and the CSA being amateurs, that whatever the clubs want will eventually happen.
http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/co...ds-to-be-taken
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
^ Yep that's the same link as OT posted.
In simple terms, between the articles here is what I see (and it's not the implication most people are drawing):
- MLS teams eventually will be required to field separate stand alone entities in USL Pro. Entries by reserve league teams will not be allowed.
- The CSA will not fully sanction a separate team. But you need a separate team long term to participate in USL Pro.
- therefore CSA will not allow full-on participation in USL pro clubs by MLS teams. Probably because they want their own D3 league.
Now some people are taking this strictly as "they won't be able to play in the Canadian Championship but no other restrictions"... that's not the way I am reading it.
I read it that the Canadian teams can have full teams in USL Pro, but these teams cannot have separate ownership and cannot participate in continental play (or qualifying play like the CCL). The difference between a "reserve team" and a "team" is just semantics. What matters is the relationship to the first team.
What the CSA is trying to do is set up a whole pyramid below MLS that will operate in Canada only, because American leagues don't value Canadian players as much as U.S. players. For that, they need money, and the MLS clubs have money. So it's part of a pressure tactic on behalf of the CSA. They don't want to cripple the Canadian clubs, though.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
^ Fair enough. Hopefully it's just semantics and nothing more than that.
I don't blame CSA for trying to establish a Canadian league where Canadian kids wouldn't be treated like second class citizen like they do in MLS. I hope we establish a 2nd division league soon. We desperately need it to order to develop young Canadian players for MLS and Europe.
http://the11.ca/2013/02/20/usl-teams...cademy-players
USL teams to be allowed to carry MLS Academy players
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
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