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    Quote Originally Posted by mdc 77 View Post
    Curious what is the reasoning for this meeting? I mean is this a request from you on behalf of the Red Patch Boys to meet with Anselmi? To make the Red Patch Boys concerns formally known?
    He's not meeting on behalf of the RPB. Phil already does that.
    he is meeting on behalf of football supporters concerned with the current lack of football infrastructure within the organization

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    Yeah I think it's simply a matter of someone taking the initiative to get in touch with the powers that be and request a meeting on their own behalf. And good on him for doing it. I hope TA gives you the conversation you deserve Belfast_Boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagbod View Post
    There are a lot of great points being made here. Lets hope this meeting is a complete success.

    But: don't forget! We still need to prepare for Saturday. If you are one of those that has said you are going to bring a banner to this game, do it. Get on it today!

    I have faith in Mark, but I have little faith in Tom or MLSE. We still need to bring it. A march from Joe's, banners, flags and mad support for our team. Afterwards, the march to the Gate 4 rally to make our statement.

    4 days to prepare.
    Done and done! Furty and I are putting the final touches on a mega two-stick. Should be completed very soon.

    Have we arranged to go down to storage at 10:30 am to pick up the "Make Us Proud Again!" banner and flags?

    If not we should get at least 4-5 bodies to head down at the said time and return to Joe's for 11:30. Down a drink and off we go.

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    I posted this in the Montreal game thread, but as I really think its the best and most effective way ot protesting, I am reposting for opinion here:

    If people want to protest management, the best way would be to go TO the stadium on Saturday, but don't actually go through the gates. Stand outside and chant and cheer outside the turnstiles. Nothing would be more damning than people having the desire to go TO the game, but not actually go into the stadium and give more to the organisation.

    The people inside the stadium on game day should be there to support the badge and the players (who, whether they have the talent or not, are trying their best for the badge on gameday).

    If you want to protest, stay outside. Staying at home altogether isn't going to help the cause. But going to the stadium and refusing the enter and chanting OUTSIDE, is going to be the most effective way to protest higher management of the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Code Red View Post
    Done and done! Furty and I are putting the final touches on a mega two-stick. Should be completed very soon.

    Have we arranged to go down to storage at 10:30 am to pick up the "Make Us Proud Again!" banner and flags?

    If not we should get at least 4-5 bodies to head down at the said time and return to Joe's for 11:30. Down a drink and off we go.
    There are no banners in storage that are for the march. I'll grab the ones we use for the game same time as usual. All the new banners will be at Joes already. See you in the stands.
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    ^ I don't think we've reached that level of sophistication yet.

    Right now we're about banners, voices, colours - anything that involves being inside the stadium to watch the game.

    Thus far we aren't able to bring ourselves to either stand up and walk out, or, as you suggest, turn up but not go in.

    I don't think we're that far off it, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBOR THE GREAT ! View Post
    ^ I don't think we've reached that level of sophistication yet.

    Right now we're about banners, voices, colours - anything that involves being inside the stadium to watch the game.

    Thus far we aren't able to bring ourselves to either stand up and walk out, or, as you suggest, turn up but not go in.

    I don't think we're that far off it, though.
    The idea is that we need to support the badge and the players (who are putting in the effort) while sticking it to the organisation. Standing outside the stadium and cheering is still supporting the players and the badge, while NOT going in is definitely protesting the organisation by not giving them any money. Wouldn't it sound amazing inside the stadium if there was loads of chanting and cheering that could be heard, but no fans actually in the stadium? I can't think of a bigger show of protest to the organisation, while still actually cheering for the actual team!

    I think there is a gap between those who want to protest, and those who think that protesting is effectively "protesting against the badge" (which we aren't, and don't want to do). Plus, Twitter is rife with people suggesting that people refusing to go to the games, or even holding up banners means that "you aren't really supporting the team" or that you aren't a real fan. So, any protest needs to both support the team while protesting MLSE. That's difficult to do if you are inside the stadium (giving the organisation money) and mostly looks like you are protesting the players.

    It may be too late to organise this kind of "mass refusal to enter the stadium" for the Montreal game. But I really think it could be an effective protest in future. I really don't like the "paper bags on heads", or "wearing green" - that just looks silly and mostly effects the players who are working in front of the stands. Those protests don't affect upper management at all. I also doubt if those MLSE execs take much notice of banners while they are eating their prawn sandwiches in their nice warm box. But a stadium that is loud, yet empty of those fans making the noise, is going to be very effective.
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    Um, what ? Why is it dated 2011... and did Tom really write that dirge ?

    Why is culture so important?

    “Culture is important for a couple of reasons: 1. A good culture is a lot more enjoyable than the alternative. 2 . Great culture results in better productivity. If our people are developing, they are motivated, they are more productive. Our job as leaders is to make that a priority, and set a tone that encourages passion, pride and performance.”
    Classic Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    It may be too late to organise this kind of "mass refusal to enter the stadium" for the Montreal game. But I really think it could be an effective protest in future. I really don't like the "paper bags on heads", or "wearing green" - that just looks silly and mostly effects the players who are working in front of the stands. Those protests don't affect upper management at all. I also doubt if those MLSE execs take much notice of banners while they are eating their prawn sandwiches in their nice warm box. But a stadium that is loud, yet empty of those fans making the noise, is going to be very effective.
    I think it's too soon.

    What we're experiencing now will have to continue on for at least another year (and it might) before a more than a handful of folk would consider this.

    I disagree with your point about paper bags and wearing green 'looking silly'. They are a visual display to show dissatisfaction with the state of affairs. As is what you suggest - the empty seats being the hook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBOR THE GREAT ! View Post
    I think it's too soon.

    What we're experiencing now will have to continue on for at least another year (and it might) before a more than a handful of folk would consider this.

    I disagree with your point about paper bags and wearing green 'looking silly'. They are a visual display to show dissatisfaction with the state of affairs. As is what you suggest - the empty seats being the hook.
    plus we have the whole off season. we can start sending letters to Larry at Kilmer Sports Inc. if nothing is done.

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    another banner idea (just chucking these out there) :

    These are the hard times you'll tell your grandkids about when we're mid-table strugglers
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBOR THE GREAT ! View Post
    another banner idea (just chucking these out there) :

    These are the hard times you'll tell your grandkids about when we're mid-table strugglers
    Sorry man, waaaayyyyy to optimistic at this point. We're at least four generations away from mid-table................hey that's pretty catchy......maybe I'll do that one!!!! Thanks TORBOR!!!

    At least four generations away from mid table!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmonyoureds View Post
    Sorry man, waaaayyyyy to optimistic at this point. We're at least four generations away from mid-table................hey that's pretty catchy......maybe I'll do that one!!!! Thanks TOBOR!!!

    At least four generations away from mid table mediocrity!
    Fixed.

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    Chant idea :
    [go west]
    Six years, and you fucked it up
    Six years, and you fucked it up
    Six years, and you fucked it up
    Six years, and you fucked it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBOR THE GREAT ! View Post
    I think it's too soon.

    What we're experiencing now will have to continue on for at least another year (and it might) before a more than a handful of folk would consider this.

    I disagree with your point about paper bags and wearing green 'looking silly'. They are a visual display to show dissatisfaction with the state of affairs. As is what you suggest - the empty seats being the hook.
    If it is too soon, then just how many season's are TFC fans willing to wait to really show a proper fan protest, and show they aren't willing ti sit through seasons and seasons of crap?

    You are much more patient than me, obviously.

    And I still say paper bags and wearing strange colours don't have any effect at all. You can't see that from the prawn sandwich boxes. The only people who see that are the players, who will assume its a protest against them personally. The only people who know anything about the paper bags or green are the RPB's themselves. People outside of the fan group have no idea what's going on. It's not an obvious or strong enough "protest" in any way. When you all wore green a few season's ago, I didn't even notice, so it clearly didn't have any impact at all. I'm sure it was totally unnoticable from the box seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    If it is too soon, then just how many season's are TFC fans willing to wait to really show a proper fan protest, and show they aren't willing ti sit through seasons and seasons of crap?

    You are much more patient than me, obviously.

    And I still say paper bags and wearing strange colours don't have any effect at all. You can't see that from the prawn sandwich boxes. The only people who see that are the players, who will assume its a protest against them personally. The only people who know anything about the paper bags or green are the RPB's themselves. People outside of the fan group have no idea what's going on. It's not an obvious or strong enough "protest" in any way. When you all wore green a few season's ago, I didn't even notice, so it clearly didn't have any impact at all. I'm sure it was totally unnoticable from the box seats.
    First off the players knew why we were wearing green, I made sure of that.

    Secondly, we had a series of meetings with the front office and as a result of that seasons ticket prices (which was the focal point of that demonstration) were frozen for 2 years.

    Overall, I would say it was effective, however when talking ont he scale you are refrencing, yes its even more effective. The issues are not all fans in that stadium understand all the issues and don't come to places like these to discuss them.

    Taking fanbases that have tradition and history and comparing them to something like this that has 6 years, its not easy and I think that is Tobors point with it taking more time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    If it is too soon, then just how many season's are TFC fans willing to wait to really show a proper fan protest, and show they aren't willing ti sit through seasons and seasons of crap?

    You are much more patient than me, obviously.

    And I still say paper bags and wearing strange colours don't have any effect at all. You can't see that from the prawn sandwich boxes. The only people who see that are the players, who will assume its a protest against them personally. The only people who know anything about the paper bags or green are the RPB's themselves. People outside of the fan group have no idea what's going on. It's not an obvious or strong enough "protest" in any way. When you all wore green a few season's ago, I didn't even notice, so it clearly didn't have any impact at all. I'm sure it was totally unnoticable from the box seats.
    I give the players more credit than you do. Besides, I'm done waiting - I'm going to the game on Satruday and then I'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    And I still say paper bags and wearing strange colours don't have any effect at all.
    But we have real tangible proof that it is effective.

    The leader of the paper bag protest now has a chance to have a meeting with the leader of the club!

    Sure, Anselmi is the king of saying all the right things but never delivering. But you can't see the protest went unnoticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    Taking fanbases that have tradition and history and comparing them to something like this that has 6 years, its not easy and I think that is Tobors point with it taking more time.
    Sort of, and it takes a level of willingness - to take on such a form of protest as T-Boy suggests - that I think the fanbase hasn't reached in significant numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    If it is too soon, then just how many season's are TFC fans willing to wait to really show a proper fan protest, and show they aren't willing ti sit through seasons and seasons of crap?

    You are much more patient than me, obviously.

    And I still say paper bags and wearing strange colours don't have any effect at all. You can't see that from the prawn sandwich boxes. The only people who see that are the players, who will assume its a protest against them personally. The only people who know anything about the paper bags or green are the RPB's themselves. People outside of the fan group have no idea what's going on. It's not an obvious or strong enough "protest" in any way. When you all wore green a few season's ago, I didn't even notice, so it clearly didn't have any impact at all. I'm sure it was totally unnoticable from the box seats.
    You are in North America. People here know what a Paper Bag means in the stands. The common passerby would less likely know what a "proper" protest is looking right at it. Many people wouldn't know if it was for or against just walking by it. You can talk about this level of organization but Robot's right- we're not going to see it right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    I posted this in the Montreal game thread, but as I really think its the best and most effective way ot protesting, I am reposting for opinion here:

    If people want to protest management, the best way would be to go TO the stadium on Saturday, but don't actually go through the gates. Stand outside and chant and cheer outside the turnstiles. Nothing would be more damning than people having the desire to go TO the game, but not actually go into the stadium and give more to the organisation.

    The people inside the stadium on game day should be there to support the badge and the players (who, whether they have the talent or not, are trying their best for the badge on gameday).

    If you want to protest, stay outside. Staying at home altogether isn't going to help the cause. But going to the stadium and refusing the enter and chanting OUTSIDE, is going to be the most effective way to protest higher management of the club.
    two problems with this

    1. Every person has their own way of protesting, which means when you get 1000 different ideas, then he becomes ineffective

    2. I am NOT going to stand outside the stadium and sing and chant and let 400 fucking Montreal fans make more noise than TFC fans inside OUR OWN stadium...no thank you

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    I hope this protest sends a strong enough message!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prizby View Post
    two problems with this

    1. Every person has their own way of protesting, which means when you get 1000 different ideas, then he becomes ineffective

    2. I am NOT going to stand outside the stadium and sing and chant and let 400 fucking Montreal fans make more noise than TFC fans inside OUR OWN stadium...no thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by nascarguy View Post
    I hope this protest sends a strong enough message!
    only if we get enough people there! it's all about numbers.

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    The self-delusion displayed by Mr. Anselmi in this interview is epic, and sad. How can TFC's fans hope for any improvement if this is the leadership of our club? No recognition of what is wrong, no understanding of the soccer fan culture etc etc. MLSE's destruction of TFC's brand value should be used as a case history at Harvard Business School.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    If it is too soon, then just how many season's are TFC fans willing to wait to really show a proper fan protest, and show they aren't willing ti sit through seasons and seasons of crap?

    You are much more patient than me, obviously.

    And I still say paper bags and wearing strange colours don't have any effect at all. You can't see that from the prawn sandwich boxes. The only people who see that are the players, who will assume its a protest against them personally. The only people who know anything about the paper bags or green are the RPB's themselves. People outside of the fan group have no idea what's going on. It's not an obvious or strong enough "protest" in any way. When you all wore green a few season's ago, I didn't even notice, so it clearly didn't have any impact at all. I'm sure it was totally unnoticable from the box seats.
    well, people in the prawny boxes can't see the pitch either, but I guess the two are not related

    We have the right people seeing our in-stadium protests. And when those people know what's going on, they are the ones who let the prawnys/average Joe's etc know what is going on. Here's a good example of that: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/sp...cer/17mls.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    well, people in the prawny boxes can't see the pitch either, but I guess the two are not related

    We have the right people seeing our in-stadium protests. And when those people know what's going on, they are the ones who let the prawnys/average Joe's etc know what is going on. Here's a good example of that: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/sp...cer/17mls.html
    The real amazing thing is that article is 2 years old.

    Its as if nothing has changed (or that its gotten worse).

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    that was 2 years ago. we've progressed sooooo much!

    and people wonder why we are protesting...... really? ffs! I wonder how they can continue to take it and say nothing. wake up people!

    thanks Ravi, using that on the Facebook protest page.
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    Taking a look at that photo reminds me that TFC FO has killed the NEE.

    And to be quite honest, U-Sector and RPB aren't that far behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narduch View Post
    Taking a look at that photo reminds me that TFC FO has killed the NEE.

    And to be quite honest, U-Sector and RPB aren't that far behind.
    TFC FO actions indirectly perhaps. The above could be easily misread.
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