Rate Mariner: August 2012

[ManUtd4ever]

Awful month. Poor results. Can't blame him for the injuries. Disappointed that we now appear to be in "reset" mode again, starting from scratch. What happened to "tweeking" the roster?

I'm rating him a 2, mainly because the coach gets way too much credit and way too much blame. I don't think Sir Alex could have done better with this lot and with the injuries we experienced. From a tactics standpoint, he is correct in saying that when you are under pressure in your own third, you need to get the ball out of the area. But that doesn't mean kick it out for a corner, nor does it mean give it away.

I think that the players need to shoulder a portion of this - fitness does appear to be a problem, as we've seen in prior years.

I'm not giving him flack for Mellberg, I think that was a problem at the league's end, but it'll be a long time before we know for sure. And O'Dea looks to be an okay acquisition - better than most made by his predecessors. I'll give him credit for Hassli - healthy, he'd be a good fit into this team, although I'm not sure that you want both him and Danny K. A hole appeared and he filled it quickly.

Scratch my head at some of the substitutions, but last game, I think the proof came out - he (rightly) has no faith in any of them to get the job done. The roster is just too thin.

2 for now. I just can't see this team going through the transition of another coach in such short order.

This.

[DaBandit]

Voted 1. I personally have known rep team/CSL coaches who would do better than him.

I honestly think there are a few guys on this board that have more knowledge of the game and would do a much better job.

PS. I rate him a zero even though it's not an option..

[DaBandit]

Conceding all those late goals, reveals a lack of physical and mental fitness in the last 10 min.
A good coach should be able to mitigate this weakness through smart substitutions and tactical adjustments.
Without a Paul Winsper to keep them fit, Mariner's limitations are exposed.
He'd make a great rodeo clown.

In fairness to Mariner this has always been an issue even when Winsper was here..

[ag futbol]

I don't care how fit your team is, when you are sub 30% possession for the game you will be gassed late in the match. There's being pragmatic and conceding some of the ball and then there's what we've been doing which is just not smart

[greatwhitenorf]

That Big Red Beezer he's sportin' sez he drinks a fair few, don't it? Another Mo Johnson, then?

[Rene Kingsriver]

That Big Red Beezer he's sportin' sez he drinks a fair few, don't it? Another Mo Johnson, then?

glad someone else has mentioned it, had suspicions of this myself

[prizby]

Conceding all those late goals, reveals a lack of physical and mental fitness in the last 10 min.
A good coach should be able to mitigate this weakness through smart substitutions and tactical adjustments.
Without a Paul Winsper to keep them fit, Mariner's limitations are exposed.
He'd make a great rodeo clown.

we had loads of injuries when Winsper was here

In fairness to Mariner this has always been an issue even when Winsper was here..

Winsper wasn't here when Mariner came

[CoachGT]

I don't care how fit your team is, when you are sub 30% possession for the game you will be gassed late in the match. There's being pragmatic and conceding some of the ball and then there's what we've been doing which is just not smart

I was thinking about it last game. If we had about 45% possession, we wouldn't be running around chasing as much and amazingly, I believe our results would improve.

[ryan]

I was thinking about it last game. If we had about 45% possession, we would be running around chasing as much and amazingly, I believe our results would improve.

I presume you mean 'wouldn't'?

And I agree. 29% possession and we're complaining about fitness? Well...duh.

[Ajax TFC]

I'm not giving him flack for Mellberg, I think that was a problem at the league's end, but it'll be a long time before we know for sure.

I don't believe for a second that this was the league's fault. TFC had one DP spot available and they used it to get Hassli instead of Melberg. If the league was involved in any way it was probably a case of TFC expecting to get allocation to sign him and the league not giving it to them.

And O'Dea looks to be an okay acquisition - better than most made by his predecessors.

This is true.

I'll give him credit for Hassli

he gave up a first round draft pick for a fucking DP - the type of player that he could have otherwise signed free of charge. Hassli is an inconsistent striker who scores some nice goals and gets suspensions and was available for free at the end of the season.

- healthy, he'd be a good fit into this team, although I'm not sure that you want both him and Danny K

he was injured already when we got him. you don't have to worry about him playing with Koevermans since his contract is up at the end of the season.

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A hole appeared and he filled it quickly.

Has he really filled that hole?

We gave up a first round pick for half a season of an inconsistent striker, whereas we could have signed our own DP striker without giving up a first rounder, or we could have signed Mellberg, or we could have signed Nesta for less than DP wages

[CoachGT]

I presume you mean 'wouldn't'?

And I agree. 29% possession and we're complaining about fitness? Well...duh.

Correct - thanks for picking it up

[Pookie]

AjaxTFC - I share your sentiment on a number of things but I am now convinced that it was the league that nixed the Mellberg deal. I'm also convinced that unless they change their stance we will never have a DP CB.

I used to think that it was because of the DP slot but the info that I have indicated that the deal was nixed before Hassli. If TFC wanted Mellberg, they had to do it like Nesta. On a non-DP contract and using allocation money if available.

(Of the 53 DPs that have been approved by the league, only 1 was a defender and that was Marquez in a deal that has a number of angles to it with FC Barcelona and MLS interests)

[ryan]

Correct - thats for picking it up

I presume you mean 'thanks'?

No problem!

[Rene Kingsriver]

I don't want to spark another SG war but I'm amazed at the contrast between here and the U-Sector forum. They don't have a poll but based on various threads I think Mariner would be averaging 3 stars over there

[Fort York Redcoat]

I personally think Mariner stinks .. I go by results !!!!

This is a rating thread. Try using the OP to rate him.

Most people are frustrated with his results.

[bigredone]

Who gave him 5 stars? Whats the deal with that? Where have you been? When did he deserve it? Why did he deserve it?

Does Mariner have an account here?

[Oldtimer]

I don't want to spark another SG war but I'm amazed at the contrast between here and the U-Sector forum. They don't have a poll but based on various threads I think Mariner would be averaging 3 stars over there

U-Sector's site has a different demographic from the RPB site. They are much more inclined to give him time (not that they like the current results any more than we do). If you see PM stll at TFC with similar results in a year, the two results will converge to some extent.

I have friends in both groups and appreciate the unique differences (and the similarities) between them.

The RPB site also has many casual users who are not members of the group. That is much less the case with the U-Sector site. That also sways any result of any poll in the general area to more represent those of the average interested fan rather than the die-hard supporter.

[brad]

we had loads of injuries when Winsper was here

We also had turf instead of grass - which likely played a role in the injuries.

[Pookie]

I don't think anyone is interested in another coach. That said, keeping Mariner for the sake of not having another coach is ridiculous.

We didn't entertain a coaching search and his mandate (as evidenced by things like the Hassli trade) has been to win now. He has failed in that regard and without a proper search there is no evidence to suggest that he is the best available.

If there is to be a new TFC President to replace and then ultimately report to Anselmi (sigh), that person needs to have every flexibility to hire a coach he believes can implement his vision. Rallying around Mariner with a new leader in charge would make no sense. A new leader cannot be handcuffed to the past.

[Ajax TFC]

I don't think anyone is interested in another coach. That said, keeping Mariner for the sake of not having another coach is ridiculous.

We didn't entertain a coaching search and his mandate (as evidenced by things like the Hassli trade) has been to win now. He has failed in that regard and without a proper search there is no evidence to suggest that he is the best available.

If there is to be a new TFC President to replace and then ultimately report to Anselmi (sigh), that person needs to have every flexibility to hire a coach he believes can implement his vision. Rallying around Mariner with a new leader in charge would make no sense. A new leader cannot be handcuffed to the past.

Except that new TFC President will be Cockrane

[Pookie]

Except that new TFC President will be Cockrane

Stop reading my mind

I actually wrote those words but deleted them as I didn't want to jinx it.

[CoachGT]

I presume you mean 'thanks'?

No problem!

Damned auto correct on the cellphone!

[TFC07]

Where's zero star option?

[Suds]

I was thinking about it last game. If we had about 45% possession, we wouldn't be running around chasing as much and amazingly, I believe our results would improve.

Holy Crap! I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY!!

It seems to me, that if your team has the ball it kind of makes it hard for the other team to score because they do not have the ball.

Did everyone else know this or is just new to Mariner and I??

[DaBandit]

we had loads of injuries when Winsper was here




Winsper wasn't here when Mariner came

i realize that, sorry if i wasn't clear. i was just trying to point out that late goals and injuries are something that has plagued this team long before mariner came aboard and was an issue even when we had winsper here..

[Ajax TFC]

Holy Crap! I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY!!

It seems to me, that if your team has the ball it kind of makes it hard for the other team to score because they do not have the ball.

Did everyone else know this or is just new to Mariner and I??

Just new to you. Mariner still doesn't know

[Nerepis]

Soulless, passionless football. Where is the joy, where is the love?