lol so true. We started being the laughing stock of MLS...now of the world! Now that's PROGRESS!Originally Posted by bigredone
And of course we're cursed. What other explanation would make sense?
lol so true. We started being the laughing stock of MLS...now of the world! Now that's PROGRESS!
And of course we're cursed. What other explanation would make sense?
This is an important point. The market is clearly big enough and the demand is here. If there can be three teams in the New York area and two in LA there should certainly be two in southern Ontario. But MLSE has been very good at keeping out another team.
The same way Bell and Rogers have been very good at keeping out foreign competition in their businesses. So the new bosses may be very similar in mentality to the old bosses.
^^^ Hell, if there can be three teams in the New York area and two in LA, southern Ontario should be able to support at least 3 or 4 teams given the interest level in hockey in Canada vs. the US. You could add a second team to GTA (say in Vaughan), Hamilton, and KW and all would get better attendance than any Bettman sun-belt expansion team.
^ Yes, they would all be great locations for an NHL team.
But remember, it's not Bettman, he's just doing what his bosses tell him to and MLSE are one of his most powerful bosses. They would much rather prop up a team in Phoenix than have another one in southern Ontario.
And the new owners think exactly the same way.
Even the question of a second Toronto NHL team is extremely complex. It isn't as simple as saying NY has 3 we should have 2 (or more).
Toronto isn't a hockey town, it's a leafs town.
For everything else the people here jump on and off the bandwagon.
You could knock the dome down, 25 years is plenty and the current ownership paid little for it. Considering you could build like 20 condos on that lot, I wouldn't doubt an early death for that building. Outdoor 35K seater is exactly what the Blue Jays need.
Argos too, need a CFL specific stadium, they would do so much better in one.
MLSE needs to buy TFC a real home. BMO is property of Toronto, not the club. We just rent the place.
You can count on the sadium not being knocked down for atleast another 30 years, seriously guys this talk of tearing it down is ridiculous even when i hear the guys on sports radio talking about it. It aint gonna happen for the forseeable future.
This is one two landmarks that people visually associate with Toronto, the CN Tower and Skydome. I think public opinion would be suggest no support in demolishing it, only baseball fans care about getting a new stadium as everyone else thinks its nice landmark to look at(at night atleast).
Last edited by Richard; 09-20-2012 at 10:51 AM.
BMO's fine....just needs a roof.
But we're not just talking about Toronto, we're talking about all of southern Ontario. And shouldn't someone at least get the chance to try if they want? My point as it relates to TFC is that the attitude of the ownership to restrict competition for their product, so that if we want to watch live hockey or soccer it has to be theirs, won't change with the newownership which is also very experienced at getting restrictions placed on competition for their product. It's as if they've decided that a smaller guaranteed profit is better than the potential for a larger profit that they would have to compete more for. And it shows up in the product.
New stadiums, like new coaches, provide an immediate "bounce" as people check out the new novelty. If timed right, it could be a powerful way to re-energize the fan base.
Think of SKC's new stadium. They combined a long term "rebuild" with the building of their stadium. Whether on purpose or by chance the net result is a beautiful new stadium with a beautiful style of soccer. Season ticket renewals are likely to be awaited with the same type of anticipation that we had years ago when we had threads were people compared their renewal times in the hopes that they could move off the gold list.
^Not sure if you're advocating for a new stadium, but I don't think it's necessary. KC had to move - they never had a SSS before, and were playing out of a minor-league baseball park. The fact that the team has become competitive since then is a bonus. I think sustained competitiveness over time is what will bring the fans back to BMO.
It's just so sad that this team now needs a KC-style "renewal."
The SkyDome has actually aged pretty well. You do not get a sense at all that you are in an old run down building when you are inside. The location is pretty good too. Where else could the Jays build a ball park today in downtown Toronto? The only real knock is the lack of grass.
As for BMO Field, all it needs is a roof and covered concourses. That would make it a pretty nice stadium.
Well, Vancouver is 3rd and not having an issue.
At this point, a curse is the only feasible explanation for the pathetic streak of futility that all of Toronto's professional sports teams have been mired in simultaneously for several years.
“Oh, the cursed one. How’s that curse I cursed you with, cursey?” - Fortune Teller
Obviously taken from the Simpsons, but if applied to TFC who would be saying it?
Note sure about that.
Content is king and a second team in Southern Ontario would be gold for TSN (assuming they get the Saturday night hockey contract from CBC).
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