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[A Stick]

It doesn't matter if TFC or the Canadian WNT team play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. They need to control the fucking ball and not hoof it up the park aimlessly. The formation is not the problem, it's the mentality! Sticking with a British way of playing that predates the 90's is hopeless in the long term and proof is in the pudding during England's Euro Cup campaign. TFC management will see that these short term results will not equal the same amount season ticket holders next year. Our fan base is not that stupid. I hope you are reading this Tom Anselmi.

[jabbronies]

Just like how Colorado played and WON the cup 2 years ago?

LA won last year with a 4-4-2 as well.

[joeyjones]

since 2007, head coaches who have won the MLS Cup:

2007 - Kinnear
2008 - Schmid
2009 - Kreis
2010 - Gary Smith
2011 - Arena

since 2007, head coaches who have won the Supporter's Shield:

2007 - Soehn
2008 - Schmid
2009 - Warzycha
2010 - Arena
2011 - Arena

all of these coaches (except Gary Smith), have extensive MLS experience. coincidence? i don't think so. all of these coaches knew (know) how to put together MLS teams and win. whatever the style of play or formation they use, they win.

[TFC07]

Just like how Colorado played and WON the cup 2 years ago?

Aren't they currently on 5 game losing streak?

[TFC07]

It doesn't matter if TFC or the Canadian WNT team play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. They need to control the fucking ball and not hoof it up the park aimlessly. The formation is not the problem, it's the mentality! Sticking with a British way of playing that predates the 90's is hopeless in the long term and proof is in the pudding during England's Euro Cup campaign. TFC management will see that these short term results will not equal the same amount season ticket holders next year. Our fan base is not that stupid. I hope you are reading this Tom Anselmi.

Agreed. Well said. Too bad some of supporters here don't see it that way.

[joeyjones]

Aren't they currently on 5 game losing streak?

yes, and the new head coach is trying to employ a possession style game....brush up on your facts, your making a case for the other side..

[TFC07]

yes, and the new head coach is trying to employ a possession style game....brush up on your facts, your making a case for the other side..

But 2 years ago in MLS is a long time. A lot of teams are adopting possession style of game in MLS. Why don't you look at that facts?

FYI: Didn't TFC play more possession game against Colorado to beat them?

[PopePouri]

Aren't they currently on 5 game losing streak?

Guess the system that Pereja was trying to implement...

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/...adapt-to-a-new

[Technorgasm]

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[TFC07]

Guess the system that Pereja was trying to implement...

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/...adapt-to-a-new

That's great, but why not look rest of MLS teams?

Colorado is going through same thing what TFC went through last season until they got their players.

[Technorgasm]

it doesn't matter if tfc or the canadian wnt team play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. They need to control the fucking ball and not hoof it up the park aimlessly.

thank you !

[joeyjones]

But 2 years ago in MLS is a long time. A lot of teams are adopting possession style of game in MLS. Why don't you look at that facts?

FYI: Didn't TFC play more possession game against Colorado to beat them?

you just indicated that Colorado is on a 5 game losing streak, what was your point there? then you say that TFC played more of a possession game against Colorado to win, and you insisted that PM can't adjust. doesn't that indicate that PM can adjust style, as he has won playing both ways? and weren't you inferring that Colorado was on a losing streak because thay play more direct. not understanding your argument at all guy...

[Beach_Red]

MLS teams are adopting possession game as well. Same can be said about top NCAA soccer teams.

And so TFC will play that way, too, once those playes are the norm. TFC's problem has always been player aquisition - and it's still the biggest problem. Putting Mariner "in charge" of player aquisition doesn't mean much if there's no infrastructure to be in charge of.

All Mariner did was pick the style that would be the most successful with the players he has - and is likely to get - in the next two years (he has a three-year contract, right? Why would he be worried about anything past that now?).

[TFC07]

you just indicated that Colorado is on a 5 game losing streak, what was your point there? then you say that TFC played more of a possession game against Colorado to win, and you insisted that PM can't adjust. doesn't that indicate that PM can adjust style, as he has won playing both ways? and weren't you inferring that Colorado was on a losing streak because thay play more direct. not understanding your argument at all guy...

Point was someone bought out about them winning a championship in couple of years ago. That's whole point. Not their style of game! TFC won because they didn't hoof the ball.

PM adjust? It had to do more with Colorado were protecting their lead (you know like how TFC usually do when they're up) by sitting back than Mariner making adjustments that cost Colorado the game.

[Whoop]

Good blog post about Canada's women's team and how emphasis on skill and tactics has allowed Japan to pass Canada in the women's game.

http://www.canadakicks.com/?p=123

The stagnation of the women’s game in Canada and growth in Japan is reflected perfectly by the much maligned FIFA rankings. In 2003 Japan was ranked 14th in the world and has since shown steady almost constant annual progression to their current ranking of third.
On the other hand Canada’s progression from 11th in 2003 to their current ranking of seventh has had more ups and downs than a new couple’s toilet seat. In 2003 Canada was ranked 11th, fell to 13th two years later, moved back to 11th the following year then reached ninth in 2007, fell again two years later to 12th…. reached as high as sixth and as low as ninth in 2011 and has most recently settled at 7th.

Japan is currently ranked 3rd in the world and are reigning World Cup champions.

[joeyjones]

Point was someone bought out about them winning a championship in couple of years ago. That's whole point. Not their style of game! TFC won because they didn't hoof the ball.

PM adjust? It had to do more with Colorado were protecting their lead (you know like how TFC usually do when they're up) by sitting back than Mariner making adjustments that cost Colorado the game.

what was the point of bringing up the 5 game losing streak? and, TFC has only 1 win since PM took over, when he played more possession?

[TFC07]

And so TFC will play that way, too, once those playes are the norm. TFC's problem has always been player aquisition - and it's still the biggest problem. Putting Mariner "in charge" of player aquisition doesn't mean much if there's no infrastructure to be in charge of.

All Mariner did was pick the style that would be the most successful with the players he has - and is likely to get - in the next two years (he has a three-year contract, right? Why would he be worried about anything past that now?).

Who's fault is that? Mariner had 18 months to address all these issues. There shouldn't be no excuses when comes to this issue. Looks like we are not going to get our CB we desperately need. You're not going to hold Mariner accountable for that as well? Who's responsible of building infrastructure?

[T-boy]

Who's fault is that? Mariner had 18 months to address all these issues. There shouldn't be no excuses when comes to this issue. Looks like we are not going to get our CB we desperately need. You're not going to hold Mariner accountable for that as well? Who's responsible charge of building infrastructure?

I think if Koev's had not got injured, we would definitely have signed Mellberg. But given that Koev's got injured and left us with JUST Johnson as our only striker, the bigger need was with the forwards rather than defence.

[TFC07]

what was the point of bringing up the 5 game losing streak? and, TFC has only 1 win since PM took over, when he played more possession?

It was show that Colorado isn't a good team anymore.

[T-boy]

It doesn't matter if TFC or the Canadian WNT team play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. They need to control the fucking ball and not hoof it up the park aimlessly. The formation is not the problem, it's the mentality! Sticking with a British way of playing that predates the 90's is hopeless in the long term and proof is in the pudding during England's Euro Cup campaign. TFC management will see that these short term results will not equal the same amount season ticket holders next year. Our fan base is not that stupid. I hope you are reading this Tom Anselmi.

Yes, I'm reading!

(joke, obviously.....).

[TFC07]

I think if Koev's had not got injured, we would definitely have signed Mellberg. But given that Koev's got injured and left us with JUST Johnson as our only striker, the bigger need was with the forwards rather than defence.

TFC didn't have a back up plan to acquire CB?

[Whoop]

Problem between 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 is that most NA players don't have the technical skill, football IQ to play a 4-3-3 which is why MLS teams alternate between a 4-3-3 and 4-4-2.

Until players in NA improve their skill, they will struggle.

But there is hope for the future.



(Though you can hear the typical NA parent going nuts in the crowd.)

[joeyjones]

It was show that Colorado isn't a good team anymore.

correct, and they now are trying to play a more possession type game...

[Beach_Red]

Who's fault is that? Mariner had 18 months to address all these issues. There shouldn't be no excuses when comes to this issue. Looks like we are not going to get our CB we desperately need. You're not going to hold Mariner accountable for that as well? Who's responsible of building infrastructure?

The people writing the cheques. Maybe it's like this, maybe after 18 months at MLSE Mariner figured out how the place worked - who was going to keep their jobs nop matter what because of who they were loyal to - and he realized how much of their "vision" was bullshit PR and how much they were really willing to do. Sure, we can say they have the third highest payroll because they overpaid DPs but maybe they're really only willing to spend money when it can be seen, when they can have a press conference and announce a big signing. Or the way they use the academy for PR. Every cent they spend is for PR and in public.

Maybe Mariner, like some guys before him, saw the way this place is run behind the scenes and saw the limitations.

[TFC07]

correct, and they now are trying to play a more possession type game...

Maybe they realize their "old ways" don't work anymore?

[joeyjones]

Maybe they realize their "old ways" don't work anymore?

and their new way is working like a charm

[TFC07]

The people writing the cheques. Maybe it's like this, maybe after 18 months at MLSE Mariner figured out how the place worked - who was going to keep their jobs nop matter what because of who they were loyal to - and he realized how much of their "vision" was bullshit PR and how much they were really willing to do. Sure, we can say they have the third highest payroll because they overpaid DPs but maybe they're really only willing to spend money when it can be seen, when they can have a press conference and announce a big signing. Or the way they use the academy for PR. Every cent they spend is for PR and in public.

Maybe Mariner, like some guys before him, saw the way this place is run behind the scenes and saw the limitations.

Well we don't know what exactly is happening in TFC FO.

I am sure if they wanted good PR then they would try to sign a big name DP that brings a lot of people to the games and media coverage. If Nesta (big name CB) rumours are true, then blame has to go to Mariner not people writing the cheques.

[TFC07]

and their new way is working like a charm

Because they don't have right players?

[Beach_Red]

Well we don't know what exactly is happening in TFC FO.

I am sure if they wanted good PR then they would try to sign a big name DP that brings a lot of people to the games and media coverage. If Nesta (big name CB) rumours are true, then blame has to go to Mariner not people writing the cheques.

Well, assigning blame isn't really going to help - nor is it possible when we don't know how the decision-making breaks down. We know that Winter had to make presentations to the MLSE board of directors, we know that Anselmi needed board approval to make a coaching change and we know (though admittedly, it's been denied) that they need board approval to sign a DP.

This is why so many of us on this board want TFC to have a president who actually runs the team - and has a set budget to work with. The structure they have now with some decisions being made by the GM and some that need board approval isn't working. Plus, there's the adding layer of the GM making presentations to the board and telling them what they want to hear in order to keep his job. It kind of looks like Winter told them the truth and got fired...

[T-boy]

TFC didn't have a back up plan to acquire CB?

I think ALL plans are scuppered when you lose your number one player.