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SUNSHINE

[Eastend]

Well, thank god for Taylor this morning.

Needing help in the back aside, it has been a brutal schedule and something had to give. Playing every 3-4 days for almost a month now....that's just too much with a small squad.

Dom

[denime]

Dom,I don't think we have small squad.what we have is a coach who does not rotate his players at all,same starting 11 in 23 days and 7 games does not work.we have players on the bench that can play if for no other reasons than to give a rest to our burned off starters.
Henry,JDG,Soolsma,Silva,Harden,Aceval,Stinson,Wili ams, are decent enough for rotation every now and then.

Season is over,give youth a chance,riding old horses all the time does not help when you have such crowded schedule.

[Pookie]

And if season is over, it begs the question as to why completely abandon the vision you were implementing (using the term you lightly meaning Kilinsmann told them to implement since they werent coming up with it on their own)?

The answer of course was to demonstrate immediate improvement in order to sell tickets based on hope. Being out possessed in all 7 games, out shot in 6 of 7, and stringing together less passes.... Not to mention being further back from the last playoff spot than we were when we started... Getting just 7 of a possible 21 points... Having a starting record worse than Preki and worse than Winter's May and 2011 4 month end of season... And that decision resulting in Plata leaving.... Yeah, I'm not seeing the short term improvement.

And while the executive continue to let the team flounder with in fighting and lack of vision and resources and they keep asking me to pay double what other MLS fans pay to see better, more well run organizations, they won't be seeing my money either.

[__wowza]

And if season is over, it begs the question as to why completely abandon the vision you were implementing (using the term you lightly meaning Kilinsmann told them to implement since they werent coming up with it on their own)?

The answer of course was to demonstrate immediate improvement in order to sell tickets based on hope. Being out possessed in all 7 games, out shot in 6 of 7, and stringing together less passes.... Not to mention being further back from the last playoff spot than we were when we started... Getting just 7 of a possible 21 points... Having a starting record worse than Preki and worse than Winter's May and 2011 4 month end of season... And that decision resulting in Plata leaving.... Yeah, I'm not seeing the short term improvement.

And while the executive continue to let the team flounder with in fighting and lack of vision and resources and they keep asking me to pay double what other MLS fans pay to see better, more well run organizations, they won't be seeing my money either.

lest we forget, mariner's "minor tweaks" to the formation. a 4-4-2 hoof instead of a possession based 4-3-3. oh yeah, minor tweaks.

honestly, i get that we're in a rough run of the schedule, but starting the same 11 for the past 3 games, including 2 away games in the course of a week.. what the fuck? people were on winter about being tactically inflexible? we're playing the same 11 with HOOF BALL. our defenders have more ground to cover, and our attackers have to book it up the pitch.

[[NBF]]

lest we forget, mariner's "minor tweaks" to the formation. a 4-4-2 hoof instead of a possession based 4-3-3. oh yeah, minor tweaks.

honestly, i get that we're in a rough run of the schedule, but starting the same 11 for the past 3 games, including 2 away games in the course of a week.. what the fuck? people were on winter about being tactically inflexible? we're playing the same 11 with HOOF BALL. our defenders have more ground to cover, and our attackers have to book it up the pitch.

When I was watching this game I saw the team playing more like this:

------------------Kocic------------------
Hall----Eckersley--------Emory----Morgan
------Dunfield------------Frings----------
-----------------Avila--------------------
Lambe----------------------------Johnson
---------------Koevermans---------------

In the previous games we were in a 4-4-2, with one winger:

------------------Kocic-------------------
Hall----Eckersley--------Emory-----Morgan
------------------------------------------
-----Dunfield-----Frings----DeGuzman-----
Lambe------------------------------------
---------Koevermans---Johnson-----------

The point I wanna make is that the previous games the looked pretty decent because the hoof ball reached Johnson and Koevermans, Dunfield wasnt left to do more than his abilities and deguzman covered for Morgan. Our midfield wasnt so far back that it would be non existant. The 4-2-3-1 never worked with Deguzman and Frings as the holding midfielders so why would it work now with Dunfield and Frings?

[T-boy]

lest we forget, mariner's "minor tweaks" to the formation. a 4-4-2 hoof instead of a possession based 4-3-3. oh yeah, minor tweaks.

honestly, i get that we're in a rough run of the schedule, but starting the same 11 for the past 3 games, including 2 away games in the course of a week.. what the fuck? people were on winter about being tactically inflexible? we're playing the same 11 with HOOF BALL. our defenders have more ground to cover, and our attackers have to book it up the pitch.

A lot of people on here were saying that Winter was changing the starting 11 too much earlier in the season. Now its "we are keeping the same starting 11 too much". Fans need to be a little more consistent with the complaints sometimes!

It would take a BRAVE manager to change a starting 11 that is unbeaten 5 games in a row! In hindsight, we are all fantastic football managers, but if I were TFC manager, 5 games unbeaten, I wouldn't want to change the starting 11!

[Greatest Ripoff]

It would take a BRAVE manager to change a starting 11 that is unbeaten 5 games in a row! In hindsight, we are all fantastic football managers, but if I were TFC manager, 5 games unbeaten, I wouldn't want to change the starting 11!

Would it has taken a BRAVE manager to change the starting XI of a tram that had 1 win in 6 matches and has blown two goal leads twice?

[T-boy]

Would it has taken a BRAVE manager to change the starting XI of a tram that had 1 win in 6 matches and has blown two goal leads twice?

I fear that whatever happens to any TFC manager right now, that it would always be the "wrong decision" for many fans. I don't think TFC is a win-win situation right now, unless we got Sir Alex and we went on a 50 game unbeaten run! I'm sure some people would still consider that a "change in direction" (Sir Alex often players 4-4-2, even though its beautiful to watch)!

[__wowza]

A lot of people on here were saying that Winter was changing the starting 11 too much earlier in the season. Now its "we are keeping the same starting 11 too much". Fans need to be a little more consistent with the complaints sometimes!

It would take a BRAVE manager to change a starting 11 that is unbeaten 5 games in a row! In hindsight, we are all fantastic football managers, but if I were TFC manager, 5 games unbeaten, I wouldn't want to change the starting 11!

uh-oh. here comes the dreaded "a lot of people" that're so widely quoted.
never get tired of a single statement being compared to the entire fanbase.

it's pretty well known that winter made the bulk of his changes in the back. we had something like 8 different pairings in 11 matches, but that didn't mean he didn't swap up top when it was warranted. i didn't find many complains that he was shuffling the back 4 as much as i found complaints that he didn't produce a winning formula yet. and as much as i enjoy the vast generalization, you're missing the point i'm trying to make..

3 games in 2 weeks (2 on the road in incredibly warm conditions) with the same physically demanding style is going to take it's toll on ANY team. unbeaten in 5 has now become winless in 3, with another match in two days and one on the road this weekend. if the team were pulling out convincing wins and playing like a cohesive unit, by all means i'd stay stick with the winning formula, but when we're dropping under 70% pass accuracy and 45% possession, we have a problem. look at what happened to the spurs this season (ie: look at the drop off by the end of the season). any judgment he would've gotten in a losing effort for swapping out a player would be easily answered by him going "yeah, road trip, 3 games in 2 weeks, he was gassed, it was hot.. what do you want?" in the postgame. now he's on the hook for playing a squad that looked dead tired halfway into the match. there's no hindsight here, the players we have on the bench would've been more than capable to at least grind something more outt've this game than 35% possession.

it was an idiotic move.

[T-boy]

uh-oh. here comes the dreaded "a lot of people" that're so widely quoted.
never get tired of a single statement being compared to the entire fanbase.

it's pretty well known that winter made the bulk of his changes in the back. we had something like 8 different pairings in 11 matches, but that didn't mean he didn't swap up top when it was warranted. i didn't find many complains that he was shuffling the back 4 as much as i found complaints that he didn't produce a winning formula yet. and as much as i enjoy the vast generalization, you're missing the point i'm trying to make..

3 games in 2 weeks (2 on the road in incredibly warm conditions) with the same physically demanding style is going to take it's toll on ANY team. unbeaten in 5 has now become winless in 3, with another match in two days and one on the road this weekend. if the team were pulling out convincing wins and playing like a cohesive unit, by all means i'd stay stick with the winning formula, but when we're dropping under 70% pass accuracy and 45% possession, we have a problem. look at what happened to the spurs this season (ie: look at the drop off by the end of the season). any judgment he would've gotten in a losing effort for swapping out a player would be easily answered by him going "yeah, road trip, 3 games in 2 weeks, he was gassed, it was hot.. what do you want?" in the postgame. now he's on the hook for playing a squad that looked dead tired halfway into the match. there's no hindsight here, the players we have on the bench would've been more than capable to at least grind something more outt've this game than 35% possession.

it was an idiotic move.

I'm sorry that I don't have time to go through the individual posts and name every single person to have claimed something. If you wnt that type of forum, then I have to leave this one, as I have a day job, like everybody else. I find picking on me/other people saying "generalisations" is hampering the aruments/postings here sometimes.

Ok, "a lot of people" is a generalisation, but what else do you want me to say? Individual names? I'm sorry I just can't do that! I'm working in an office and tryng to also get myself involved in a good conversation about my football team, I'm sorry I can't be specific every time!

[CoachGT]

So the media appear to have given up on the team as well. Each of the articles written by media above are copies of the same article written for Canadian Press. The wording is the same, just the headlines are different.

[Darlofletch]

So the media appear to have given up on the team as well. Each of the articles written by media above are copies of the same article written for Canadian Press. The wording is the same, just the headlines are different.

to the blogs!

[Oldtimer]

One more loss or tie, and Mariner will have had a worse start than Preki.

The score line after the opening half was 2-0. It could well have been 8-0.

What more can you say?

[Darlofletch]

One more loss or tie, and Mariner will have had a worse start than Preki.

interesting idea, let's compare everyone's first 7 games.

carver 11 points
Preki 9
Cummins 8
Dasovic 7 in 6
Mariner 7
Winter 7
Johnston 6

doing better than mo!

[Oldtimer]

interesting idea, let's compare everyone's first 7 games.

carver 11 points
Preki 9
Cummins 8
Dasovic 7 in 6
Mariner 7
Winter 7
Johnston 6

doing better than mo!

bwahaha to doing better than Mo!... I was actually giving Mariner 10 games for the comparison to Preki.

So Carver had the best start, eh? That's even with Mo as GM.

[Beach_Red]

bwahaha to doing better than Mo!... I was actually giving Mariner 10 games for the comparison to Preki.

So Carver had the best start, eh? That's even with Mo as GM.

The Carver debacle was really the turning point with the franchise. That's when we should have realized there was really no one in charge. Look, for all of Mo's faults he was really just an inexperienced guy in way over his head, trying to do a job he should never have been given. For all the talk of a five-year plan there was clearly no "plan" there was just scrambling and the belief that if you just keep going in this league any team can make the playoffs in five years (has anyone coached a team for three years and not made the playoffs?).

If Carver had stayed, even with Mo as a GM, the team would probably have at least made the playoffs. But what happened with Carver (and Dichio and DeRo and so many others) should have tipped us off a lot sooner that the problems with this team started at the very top.

[Oldtimer]

If Carver had stayed, even with Mo as a GM, the team would probably have at least made the playoffs. But what happened with Carver (and Dichio and DeRo and so many others) should have tipped us off a lot sooner that the problems with this team started at the very top.

I really thought Mo was the problem.
However, I should have looked a bit higher than Mo.

A lot of people on here were saying that Winter was changing the starting 11 too much earlier in the season. Now its "we are keeping the same starting 11 too much". Fans need to be a little more consistent with the complaints sometimes!

It's totally consistent. We lack someone who has the sense to pilot a middle ground. For another problem area, under Winter, TFC was too technical, under Mariner, not technical enough. It's just bad coaching, period. All the talk of "courage" doesn't paper over Mariner's severe shortcomings.

[CretanBull]

If Carver had stayed, even with Mo as a GM, the team would probably have at least made the playoffs. But what happened with Carver (and Dichio and DeRo and so many others) should have tipped us off a lot sooner that the problems with this team started at the very top.

More than a few people said it at the time...they were just laughed at and marginalized. The situation with Dichio's "health" and the "league" forcing Carver to return to the side lines exposed our FO's lies for the first time. The people who pointed it out were out-numbered 10 to 1 back then, now it's probably 20 to 1 in the other direction.

[Oldtimer]

If you didn't have enough reasons to hate this FO:

NEW YORK -- There will be some Canadian content at the MLS all-star game.

The league announced Sunday that D.C. United midfielder and Toronto native Dwayne De Rosario as well as Vancouver Whitecaps captain and central defender Jay DeMerit will be part of the squad taking on English Premier League team Chelsea on July 25 in Chester, Penn.
De Rosario, the 2011 MLS MVP and Golden Boot winner, finished last season with 16 goals and 12 assists.

So far this year, he has five goals and a league-leading 10 assists while helping D.C. United achieve first place in the Eastern Conference with a 10-5-3 record.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2012/...LS%20all-stars

[__wowza]

oh, and if anyone ever wants a kick in the stats-nuts:

456	Total Pass	264
86%	Passing Accuracy %	71%

the team launches almost 200 passes more than we do and maintains 15% better accuracy. well done reds!

[Gazza]

"Thank god for Taylor."

[TOBOR !]

Any bets on when Jimmy B gets handed the job ?

We’ve tried nothin’ and we’re all out of ideas.

[ensco]

Any bets on when Jimmy B gets handed the job ?

No, Brennan doesn't help renewals. Probably hurts that. So no chance.

There is only one guy they can appoint from within that might work for the SSHs. We all know who that is. I fear they will do it too.

[ManUtd4ever]

No, Brennan doesn't help renewals. Probably hurts that. So no chance.

There is only one guy they can appoint from within that might work for the SSHs. We all know who that is. I fear they will do it too.

I hope Danny has more sense than to willingly step into the line of fire like that. The level of patience with this club is at an all time low, and it would place unrealistic expectations on his shoulders as a rookie coach.

[Beach_Red]

I hope Danny has more sense than to willingly step into the line of fire like that. The level of patience with this club is at an all time low, and it would place unrealistic expectations on his shoulders for a rookie coach.

And by now anyone looking at the coaching job here knows what a mess the FO is, they know they'll never be able to get much of the roster they want. This is probably the worst possible team for a rookie coach. And yet, who esle but a rookie would take the job?

[T-boy]

And by now anyone looking at the coaching job here knows what a mess the FO is, they know they'll never be able to get much of the roster they want. This is probably the worst possible team for a rookie coach. And yet, who esle but a rookie would take the job?

Can we really blame the FO for the squad of players we currently have? As far as I'm aware, Winter got all the players he was looking for? (2 DP's, Dutch contingent of players etc). There's no reason to believe that the FO would "stop" any manager getting the players he is asking for, is there?

[Chevy]

No, Brennan doesn't help renewals. Probably hurts that. So no chance.

There is only one guy they can appoint from within that might work for the SSHs. We all know who that is. I fear they will do it too.

I'm thinking Jimmy B as head coach with Danny as Assistant. Middle of next season when we're out of the playoff hunt (again). Book it.

[Pookie]

I'm thinking that with some of the tired legs, Brennan might soon get promoted to Stength and Conditioning Coach. Either that or Team Doctor.

[[NBF]]

I'm thinking that with some of the tired legs, Brennan might soon get promoted to Stength and Conditioning Coach. Either that or Team Doctor.

Its not a demotion, its a promotions, so its more like Head Director of Team Strength and Conditioning.