CSA on World Cup 2026 bid: "not only a possibility; it's something we intend to do,"
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/opin...world-cup.html
it's a bold declaration what with the distance that would be between the venues, but with the women's world cup being held here (including the U-20 WC) it could end up being considered in a joint bid with the states perhaps?
The next world cup is being held in Bazil which is only slightly smaller than Canada and the one after than is in Russia which is almost twice the size of Canada. Both will have large distances between venues.Originally Posted by __wowza
The difference being is both those countires have 10+ world class stadiums to host games. Brazil i believe has the biggest football stadium in the world, it will definitely be a joint bid.
i'd love to see this. we've proved ourselves with the U-20 world cup (the most profitable U20WC in terms of ticket sales), and we will try and do it again with the women's world cup in 2015. unfortunately, the world cup is an entirely different breed of cat. i don't think it'll happen for a few reasons:
- the stadium infrastructure: we'd need to build, rebuild, and renovate stadiums which will serve no purpose after completion (FIFA requires each stadium to at least seat 30k+)
- we lack the strength in CSA to put forth a proper bid.
- the distance teams would have to travel to reach a suitable venue would be too great (it's a 6 hour flight between vancouver and toronto).
i believe if they launched a joint bid with the US, it'd sweeten the deal. you could run them on separate coasts so all they would have to do is hop the border, during the group stage into the knockout round. you wouldn't have to worry about venue infrastructure, and FIFA has always had a sweet spot for "developing the game" (ie: Canada and a revisit to the US).
if you look at the trend it goes: wildcard, standard, wildcard, standard
(US 94/France 98/Korea and Japan 02/Germany 06/South Africa 10/Brazil 14).
after Qatar, they're due to go back to England, Spain, Italy, Argentina, etc. OR they could pair the wildcard with the standard and do Canada/US. although, after the issues they had with Japan/Korea they might be soured from joint bids from now on, even though our countries are on good terms.
Where are the stadiums going to come from? I don't think Canada has one grass 5-star stadium. There definitely isn't going to be enough demand for that many stadiums to be built.
A joint bid with the USA would almost make sense, except for the fact that the US can comfortably hold a World Cup on their own (and have done in the past). And Canada would still need to build at least two 40k+ stadiums.
I don't know what Montagliani is trying to accomplish by putting this out there, that he's aiming high? Women's and U-20 World Cups are tournaments on Canada's level, and that's fine. The CSA needs to focus on getting a national D-3 league up and running and build up from there.
Joint bid please. At least we'd stand a chance.
This would take a shitload of planning and a shitload of money. The CSA would have to convince the government to build several new stadiums and upgrade all the existing stadiums. No way that happens unless they also create a good long term plan to advance soccer in this country to the point where the stadiums would actually be put to full use afterwards. That means they'll need a plan to professionalize soccer in this country, because lets be honest, three MLS teams doesn't give us a real professional level. to really professionalize soccer in this country we need to be at the level where kids that are good have ambition to be pro. Right now I know quite a few kids who play rep soccer who've probably never even thought twice about the possibility of making it a career.
There's no reason why a country with 32 million people can't have a professional league for it's most played sport, other than lack of ambition.
AFC and UEFA are out of the bid. CONMEBOL will have recently hosted. Leaves CAF v.s. CONCACAF v.s. OFC. Canada to host still seems unlikely though even with a joint bid. U.S. may not want to share. A joint bid in Central America would be different, but pending how Mexico does at the Olympics with there tough young squad they could try again to host.
Ok stadium infrastructure is a lot different than talking about the distance between cities.
How many stadia built/renovated for South Africa?
South Africa already had a great infrastructure with regard to Stadia due to Rugby.
I was just curious how many they built and how many they renovated, I wasn't trying to prove a point. Does anyone know the answer to this? Just want to see how Canada would have to stack up against that. I guess the same goes for Qatar.
US has 75 suitable stadiums (ie that seat over 60,000 people). Canada has zero. US will have no interest in a joint bid.
This topic is a waste of time.
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This has much of a chance as me getting into a hot, sweaty three way with Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson. Translation: NO FUCKING WAY IT'LL HAPPEN!!!
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Correct. Tell him what he wins, Johnny.
Ask yourself this question : who will the president of FIFA be when 2026 is awarded, and will Montagliani be interested in stuffing their pockets with $$$$$ ?
It all comes down to how much money those corrupt bastards on the FIFA Executive Committee can score from selling the various rights.
Fuck it. Totally against this.
Done deal.
FIFA will love this kind of football missionary work after rolling around in the smell of the corrupt World Cups in Russia and Qatar.
Their benevelonce would extend to not requiring us to have a complete set of 60,000 seat stadiums, but in 14 years time, we could easily have 8-10 suitable stadiums. Canada would get away with a few smaller grounds.
New NFL stadium in Toronto hosts the final. Montreal gets new stadium. Vancouver dome already purtied up. Edmonchuk and Calgary get their stadiums upgraded. There's five stadiums that range from 50,000(Calgary) to 75,000(Toronto, maybe Montreal) and three in between. These will host the bulk of the big games.
Ottawa will get enough money to grow Lansdowne Park to at least 50,000 for WC games. Winnipeg has a new 30-something-thousand stadium and surely it will be offered games if it can flex to add another 10,000 seats. Regina has a new CFL stadium in the works and it could be configured to make additional seats feasible. Not sure what the new layout of Ivor Wynne in Hamilton would offer, but if it's expandable, add it to the list.
We'd need to have something new built in Halifax and Quebec City. Something with permanent seating of 25,000 with the ability to add at least 15,000 temporary seats. They'd get the lower seed games from groups in Ottawa or Montreal.
Might be a bit of a boutique World Cup, but there's no doubt FIFA like what's happened here before and want to keep it going. A healthy Canadian soccer scene helps prevent the rise of any further Jack Warners from occurring.
Don't have to look too hard to see where the initiative and money would come from. This country has made it a mandate to attract the brightest and best from around the world to come and live here. This is a huge public relations move to stir a new generation of potential immigrants. The federal and provincial money for BMO Field came from this sort of thinking. And Harper's Tories would love to steal momentum away from the Liberal's traditional appeal to immigrants.
Boom. Done. Starting planning how you're going to rent out your basement.
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I used to think that a joint US/Canada bid would work, but looking at the HUNDREDS of stadiums they have in the US, why would they be interested in sharing the glory? If Canada has a hope of hosting we need to do it alone. The only snag is that at the moment, we've only got 4 stadiums that can seat over 50,000 (Olympic, Commonwealth, BC Place, and Rogers Centre). Not sure how/if we can go about building or upgrading so many venues, but I'm sure it would be essential to secure a bid.
The kicker is, if we can sort out venues and put forward a bid, we would get it.
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Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
where is the FIFA Official bribe money coming from? CSA seems to be under funded at the best of times.
South Africa had new stadiums rebuilt or renovated even though they had a 1-2 stadiums built for rugby. Now these stadiums are white elephants.
There are white elephants in Japan/South Korea from 2002 and white elephants in Portugal from 2004.
75,000 seat stadium for CFL? LOL Unless there is a lot of temporary seating. Will the Canadian public want to front the money for all these stadiums to be built and renovated for an event they really don't care that much about? People are fighting against hosting the Olympics which has more of a positive effect through legacy than a singular World Cup.
The only people who really want to see a World Cup in Canada are soccer fans. Sure I'd love to see a World Cup in Canada but I don't think it's feasible.
Though I wonder if no one else bids if FIFA will lower the standards needed to bid.
I don't know about that!
World Cup is big deal in Canada. Based on TV ratings, it's hard to say Canadians wouldn't welcome World Cup in their own back yard.
I feel if Canada has will and money to build stadiums for World Cup then they'll get it. Canada has proven they can host big international sporting events and they never hosted World Cup (which is a huge plus when comes to decide which country should host World Cup). As long stadiums are there (or going to be there when World Cup starts), then it's hard for FIFA to turn down Canada especially since it has been a while a CONCACAF nation hosted World Cup.
and due to multicultural immigrant population, most games in major cities will sell tix. even minnows games most likely
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Don't forget Canada is a safe country to visit and open to drinking (and getting high lol) which will attract a lot of tourists around the world to Canada.
Last and future World Cup locations:
2010 - South Africa (CAF/Africa)
2014 - Brazil (CONMEBOL/South America)
2018 - Russia (UEFA/Europe)
2022 - Qatar (Asia/AFC)
2026 - CONCACAF nation? (It should be our region's turn).
The issue isn't that Canada can't... it's the cost.
The size of the stadiums will also preclude a lot of it too.
I'd like to see mock ups of 70,000+ stadiums with 35,000+ temporary seating. Because really that's what's needed outside of Toronto.
we need someone to fund our bribes.
Are the Thomsons into soccer?
is there some tarsands money earmarked for this? (would the final be played in Calgary?)
I think Canada could do it. And it would be awesome.
How many stadiums do we need to have?
The Big "Owe" in Montreal could host. in 1994 the silverdome in detroit hosted indoor games on those hexagons of sod, so the precedent is there.
It is kind of funny that a lot of us on the message board are have been against pointy-ball at BMO, but it would likely be a new NFL stadium that would be the cornerstone of a Canadian Bid.
Didn't commonwealth stadium in edmonton just switch to field turf? (as in the last couple of years)
McMahon in Calgary would need some sod too.
the new BC place could also roll the sod out.
Toronto (Skydome or new NFL, or BMO with temp seating????)
MTL
Van
Calgary and/or Edmonton (would they have 2 that close together?)
wildcards:
Ottawa with new Lansdowne/CFL field.
New Winnipeg looks nice.
New Ivor Wynne in Hamilton coming soon.
Are they Renovating the CFL stadium in Regina??
I believe every CFL field is "FieldTurf" so every stadium would need sod brought in. 14 years to plan and implement new technology isn't too far fetched.
This. AT least its a waste of time thinking US would have an interest in sharing.
If properly planned Canada can host on its own.
First world country, with 1st rworld ev=cenomy. The money is there. We just need leadership and planning to make this happen.
Also, a new finals stadium woul need to be built.
And with our governments more than eager to build one for the Olympics (if we ever get it) I don't see how a new one in TO for a WC can't be built.
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What we really need to do is think outside the box for venues. We could take a few existing CFL sites (McMahon is a good example for this) and really go all-out with temporary modular stands. We could then ship the stands to schools, colleges, or community centres all over the country when we are finished with them. They've done that sort of stuff for the olympics and other big events - this would be the same sorta thing, just maybe done on a larger scale.
The great thing about that sort of plan is that you're not just building venues for a bunch of millionaire athletes to be used for only a short period. Instead, you get the seating you need for the big event, then providing permanent facilities for cities and towns all over the country.
Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
While the government has been interested in hosting an Olympics in Toronto for example, the people aren't as willing. So how will the people of Canada support a World Cup where most of the new stadiums will have to be built with public money, where the facilities will have less legacy than Olympic facilities? The Olympics bring big TV ratings, and legacy features, to its citizens but if the appeal isn't there for an Olympics where is it for a World Cup, outside of soccer fans?
You'll need a new 75,000 seat stadium for Toronto. This will likely depend on getting a NFL team. Where do you build it? The best spot within Toronto would be by Woodbine as the space is there. Or do you raze BMO and build at the Ex? If so, does TFC play in a 75,000 seat stadium, share with a NFL team? Does TFC still exist? What happens to SkyDome? Do 3-4 teams (NFL, MLB, MLS, CFL) share the one new stadium? If SkyDome still stays, does only the NFL team play in the new NFL stadium?
Olympic Stadium would be okay, but capacity would have to be increased a slight bit, but it should be adequate. But by then the stadium will be 50 years old so it will definitely need upgrades.
BC Place has been upgraded to an extent so it should be okay for now.
Commonwealth will need to be upgraded.
McMahon will need to be expanded/upgraded.
The new stadium in Winnipeg is out because it's too small. Even with temporary seating it still comes in around 45,000.
Even with the new upgrades to Ivor Wynne, the stadium would fall short.
Taylor Field in Regina is too small so that will need to be upgraded or rebuilt.
Will need a new stadium in Halifax, or somewhere in Eastern Canada. Highly unlikely to see a 60,000 seat stadium built there.
That still gives you 8-10 stadiums when you should have a pool of at least 12-16 stadiums to choose from.
You're looking at billions of dollars for infrastructure for stadia alone, let alone for the infrastructure needed in a city like Toronto for the necessary upgrades for example for transportation.
Since the TV era (post 1970) of the World Cup, no country as small as Canada (in terms of population) has hosted the World Cup, save Qatar and we know what went on there. Would the Canadian government drop as much money as the Qatari government to get a WC bid even if a 1/5 is needed?
Or given the size of some of the smaller Qatari stadiums, will the CSA drop a ton of money to ensure guaranteed profits to FIFA?
I'd love to see a World Cup in Canada, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
How much daily use do big stadiums get? I could argue that an Olympic bid would do more for a local community with the new facilities than a big, monolith stadium would do.
I agree with mowe, there are bigger issues to fix with Canadian soccer and the CSA than whether or not Canada should host a men's World Cup.
Last edited by Whoop; 07-08-2012 at 07:22 AM.
I don't think its that insane of an idea. Besides I like it when people dream big, plus I think Canada can pull it off.
Look at the stadium sizes for South Africa - 84,490 - 64,100 - 62,760 - 55,686 - 42,858 - 42,486 - 41,733 - 40,929 - 40,911 - 38,646
The existing CFL stadiums alone can get you the bulk of those 40,000 seat stadiums.
Obviously you would need to build an 80,000 seat stadium in Toronto. That stadium could then be used for an NFL team and larger TFC friendlies.
With the new world economic realities, I don't think you need to have 10 80,000 seat stadiums to host an event like the World Cup.
Edit: Even the Brazil event will have 5 stadiums under 44,000 capacity.
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