Paul Submariner, more like.
Paul Submariner, more like.
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Not at all true. There were many people who wanted Winter to keep playing that system and reading these threads it's pretty clear to me that there are many people who still wish we had stuck with Winter and his system. Just because YOU thought that his system was a problem, doesn't mean we ALL thought it was the problem.Originally Posted by T-boy
IMO Winter's system wasn't a problem, his player selection was. You can't try to play a proper buildup game with passing and moving and then play Dunfield in every game. Also the players up front were missing an unusually high number of sitters. Systems don't make you do that.
Spain's always been boring as fuck to watch. The WC semifinal against Germany is possibly the worst game I've ever seen. Their problem is that they play midfielders on the wings, don't have a real striker (although when they did they still sucked to watch) and play with midfielders that don't shoot from range. The result is crazy passing patterns but no one with the balls to try to score
Ireland's long ball game yesterday was real fun to watch,even my Irish coworker was frustrated with that performance and style of play.
You are generalizing that every team that plays 433 is tika-taka,same as many people say 442 is kick and run
433 tika-taka is Spain/Barca style,Dutch NT plays 433 too,but looks as totally different formation and style,like I mention it in my previous post,Croatia made their 442 look like tika taka,while Ireland 442 was Hoof-ball.
Ajax-TFC nailed it in his post above,there is a difference between "system" and "formation" and many people have trouble seeing it.
Formations and systems aren't the same thing, but they aren't entirely different things either. Formations are developed and oriented to playing certain systems, so they're the flip side of the same coin. 4-4-2 is an inherently more defensive formation, but doesn't mean you can't get offense out of it. RSL plays 4-4-2 btw, someone posted above they play 4-3-3.
I can see us going to 4-2-3-1 (which is what we really play anyway if you look at it closely on the field - at least when we're not playing 5 at the back). Can't see us going to 4-4-2 - we simply don't have two strikers, and Soolsma is probably the only true wide midfielder we have. We'll see what Chuggers can come up with.
Last edited by Canary10; 06-11-2012 at 09:05 AM.
Awesome. Nicknames already!
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^ I was more thinking along the lines of being taken out from underneath.
I wish him luck.
I'm confused by all the references to Mariner's coaching experience in MLS. He has 0 games as head coach and quite a few as Assistant.
In total, he has 28 games of experience as a Head Coach... all with Plymouth. Last I checked, 28 games as a head coach is less than a full MLS season.
As I said, I wish him luck. I will rally behind him but I certainly won't be calling him experienced.
I guess it doesn't matter, being "experienced" isn't really a criteria for a job in that organization. From our first coach (15 games of prior experience) to our first Director of Soccer Operations (same guy as the first coach) to our first Executive VP and COO to our most recent International Scout (de Klerk who has never scouted before) to our most recent North American Scout (Dasovic who had never scouted before) to coaches along the way who cut their teeth with us (Cummins, Dasovic, Winter, Mariner) without a season of head coaching experience to their credit to the youngest roster in MLS. Working for TFC is better than a College Co-op placement.
Last edited by Pookie; 06-11-2012 at 11:50 AM.
Of course I'm generalizing! Everybody else seems to be doing the same with their arguments!
The generalization on this forum seems to be that 4-3-3 = good football. But that's not necesarily always the case. And as you correctly point out too - 4-3-3 doesn't always mean short ball, and 4-4-2 doesn't always mean long ball.
I completely agree with you - but it seems a lot of people on here don't realise this at all.
Wouldn't the SubMariner be the fellow who is under Mariner? This would be assistant coach Jimmy Brennan.
Awesome. Nicknames already!
O, Maple Leaf around the world, You speak as you rise high above,
Of courage, peace and quiet strength, Of the Canada that I love.
Remind us all, our union bound by ties we cannot sever,
Bright flag revered on every ground, The Maple Leaf forever
This was from East Side Stand Up, May 31, 2011! Nice call, Mr. Marhue!
O, Maple Leaf around the world, You speak as you rise high above,
Of courage, peace and quiet strength, Of the Canada that I love.
Remind us all, our union bound by ties we cannot sever,
Bright flag revered on every ground, The Maple Leaf forever
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