http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=397366
Come on! How can they do that??? #creativeaccounting
That's ridiculous. At least give the appearance you are trying to abide by the rules man!
Report: ADP will join LA Galaxy at the window
http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=397366
Come on! How can they do that??? #creativeaccounting
That's ridiculous. At least give the appearance you are trying to abide by the rules man!
Seriously, how?
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non-DP salary and millions of endorsements?
What a joke. One rule for them, one for the rest of MLS it seems.
bullshit.
That's funny I head on fan590 this morning he was linked to the impact lol
Edit: looks like saputo denied it, carry on
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/sports/spo...del-piero.html
It really is funny when folks try to tell you with a straight face that MLS actually has a salary cap.
It seems 99.99% certain that the guaranteed number doesn't count against the cap. Which means they can pay this guy whatever they like as a base and then bonus him to high hell.
And then there is the mysterious allocation money which is made available by the competition committee for exceptional circumstances and thou shalt never know the amount. Fun, eh?
Actually, a few weeks ago someone on here explained that MLS has a "salary budget" - that is the amount the league pays towards the salaries of all the teams. It's s ingle-entity league, afterall. But some teams fought for the right to pay additional salaries themselves and so the DP rule was brought in. And then it was increased to three DPs and now it looks like it could be increased some more.Originally Posted by Pookie
There will likely be many more adjustments to these rules as the league continues to grow. Let's face it, in any sports league in the world some owners spend more on players than others and some owners are always looking for ways around caps and other restrictions. It's not a bad thing, really, just like it's not a bad thing to keep some retraints. Like any business there's a danger in expanding too quickly or too slowly.
It's just too bad the owners of our team aren't the ones to be always pushing for more.
Makes you wonder though who is actually lobbying for some owners to spend more than others. As you highlight, the league is the ultimate owner and revenue is shared. If the league (owner) has popular winning franchises in its largest markets, they stand to benefit do they not in terms of TV audience, ticket sales, etc? Just coincidence that the big names like Henry, Keane, Marquez, all landed in the 2 largest markets?
When you factor in that SUM is involved with Barcelona and MLS and Barcelona had a $0 transfer fee for the NYRBs... it was $5M for any team but NY... it sure sounds like a wonderfully convenient coincidence.
Or the best way to market a new league in a very crowded sports market.
Sure is. From a business standpoint it makes complete sense.
From a competitive/Declan Hill perspective (author of "The Fix") it certainly leaves one wondering.
It was $5m for any team outside MLS. The league is a single entity. Henry wanted to play in NY.
Frankly all this conspiracy theory/LA and NY get favourable treatment whining is rather distasteful. With our payroll and if we had a manager and GM like Seattle's or RSL's we'd be one of the top teams year after year. If the league is bending the rules for LA/NY since the intro of DP's they are doing a terrible job.
So my question is why the hell are we not on LA salary level? We should be going balls to the wall getting the best damn players avaible.
In all seriousness, it is because TFC wasn't born with a championship vision in mind. It was a necessary piece of a business deal that needed to be included to secure a percentage of operating profits of a government financed stadium.
Makes me want to puke. Fucking hate being a T.O sports fan because all this bullshit going on.
Wow, just wow.
How can you say something like that with a straight face? TFC is one of few teams are paying 3 players more than a million dollars while they have invested in club's infrastructure that cost millions. Problem is that we haven't seen results on field outside of ACC/CCL yet.
Maybe it just some "superstar" players only want to play in certain cities (NY & L.A.). We can't control that. I assume ADP is one of those players only wants to play in L.A. or New York.
I looooooove the indignant tone of voice.Wow, just wow.
How can you say something like that with a straight face? TFC is one of few teams are paying 3 players more than a million dollars while they have invested in club's infrastructure that cost millions. Problem is that we haven't seen results on field outside of ACC/CCL yet.
Pookie, how DARE you?
Try this TFC07: the first DP was clearly a marketing/brand building decision, and the other two were brought in to defend the super-premium pricing structure and high-but-declining SSH numbers for a floundering, last place team, and not to win championships.
And no, I don't have a piece of paper to prove it - but it's freaking obvious.
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What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.
1. When JDG was signed we were elated. We wanted a Canadian.
2. We have more SSH than we did before we signed JDG.
3. Nearly every team is sports has profit in mind, why else would someone run a franchise? To lose millions of dollars?
4. Its insane to think MLSE doesn't want TFC to win. There is far more money in winning than losing. Losing comes with lost revenue, the opposite of what MLSE wants.
5. We have the 3rd highest payroll in the league.
I can say that they were born as a result of a business deal because they were born as a result of a business deal.Wow, just wow.
How can you say something like that with a straight face? TFC is one of few teams are paying 3 players more than a million dollars while they have invested in club's infrastructure that cost millions. Problem is that we haven't seen results on field outside of ACC/CCL yet.
Maybe it just some "superstar" players only want to play in certain cities (NY & L.A.). We can't control that. I assume ADP is one of those players only wants to play in L.A. or New York.
Specifically an October 2005 proposal submitted to Toronto City Council entitled "Soccer Stadium at Exhibition Place."
You might find page 6 fairly interesting in which... and I quote...
"Some of the essential points of the business arrangement are as follows:
.....
vi) requirement for MLSE to purchase a major league soccer franchise to be located in Toronto "
Full proposal is here: http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa...nto Report.pdf
You see, the stadium came before the team and the team was necessary to secure a share of the operating profits. Read further on, they only pegged attendance at 14k and were expecting ongoing share of revenues from FIFA U20 event, CSA games, concerts, and potentially the Argos of CFL fame. As part of the deal, a MLS team was necessary.
That's ok. I had the piece of paper to prove what is freaking obvious. You owe me a beer
MLSE was interested getting a MLS team as long they had a stadium located in downtown Toronto. They wouldn't force to get a MLS team so government can provide funds to build a soccer stadium in Toronto for FIFA under 20. They didn't buy MLS club to do favours for CSA or government. MLSE use government so they didn't have to build a soccer stadium with all their money. When Argos backed out with their deal with York University (and U of T) & BMO field and decided to stick with Rogers Centre, MLSE stepped in and saved idea of building a soccer stadium at Exhibition.
MLSE wasn't doing any favours for anyone but for themselves.
this league is bs..... New York and LA get all the superstars they want......
This is the special "LA doesn't look like they're going to make the playoffs" allocation rule.
Honestly - if MLSE were trying to live up players like that for us, I bet the league would do the same. I have a feeling it's more about bending over backwards for marquee names than it is bending over backwards for LA and NY.
It's just that those teams are the ones attracting and pursuing those players.
This sounds about right.
Let's be serious now, if you were a superstar in your country, would you come to a place like Toronto to continue that stardom?
I think LA/NY are the places these guys are interested in. Hanging with Jay-Z and Tom Cruise as oppose to Alan Thick and Anne Murray.
hmmm no it's not, it's business. It's the way MLS has always been run. Why are you so surprised?
If a big name player wants to come to this league and requests to play in a certain city, do you think the owners of the league, who are still trying to build the brand and the legitimacy of the play on the pitch, are going to deny that request?
Here's where it's bullshit.
TFC Fans: "Hey TFC, we're doing shit, at the bottom of the table, make our team better!"
TFC Owners: "Sorry, we're at the cap!"
TFC Fans: "So use that DP rule!"
TFC Owners: "We've maxed that out too."
TFC Fans: "Alright then I guess we make due with what we have until things are freed up. Rules are rules."
At the very same time...
LA Fans: "Hey LAG, we're doing shit, at the bottom of the table, make our team better!"
LA Owners: "Sorry, we're OVER the cap! ...Wait a tick, we're LA! Let us call Garber and have him make something up to fix it"
LA Fans: "How about DP's?"
LA Owners: "Sure we'll get another spot too"
LA Fans: "Great news!"
I'm sorry but this is utter fucking horseshit. How the fuck do we sit here as fans of MLS, and listen to our ownership tell us they can't do a fucking thing with our roster, when LA, in a worse roster position, can just say fuck the rules and Garber is behind it all the way?
MLS can fuck right off.
Let's face it guys, Toronto is not a 'World Class' city on the International Football Stage, we get whom we get, some may argue that TFC front office are not pursuing marquee players, but a fact is a fact, L.A. and New York are more attractive cities for the big name players, and if there are backroom deals, what can we do about it?
And MLS is not a 'World Class' league on the International Football Stage either. Designated Players aren't coming to North America for the quality of life. Most have enough money to live and play anywhere in the world. Money talks. I would argue that Frings is not a "get who we get" signing.
Totally agreee and by all means both Frings and Koevermans are quality players for TFC, but I honestly think there is extra considerations for the likes of L.A. and New York by the MLS hierachy. In layman's terms, back room dealings.
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