Were going to see Mariner play "his" players. Eckersley will be starting even though Hall has earned the start. Probably Silva also over Avila, and Soolsma will stay on the bench.
Were going to see Mariner play "his" players. Eckersley will be starting even though Hall has earned the start. Probably Silva also over Avila, and Soolsma will stay on the bench.
I think our current roster is more condusive to playing a 4-5-1 effectively.Originally Posted by Oldtimer
The past few subs have made it pretty clear tome that Ecks should be starting over Hall.
The good thing about Hall is he seems to be adaptable and may find some playing time in other roles.
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Mariner was responsible for acquiring Avila and Hall as well.
If Mariner was to play "his" players over others, does that insinuate that the likes of JDG, Frings, Koevermans, and Cann are at risk of not starting?
I think Mariner is competent enough to start players based solely on merit.
That would depend on whether or not he had personally brought in alternatives to those players that he feels are better. Only Cann would be in jeapordy but only if there is an alternative to him. Aceval would be that guy under this theory but, as we know, he isn't the guy to do that.
As for JDG, Frings and Koevermans, Mariner's not a blithering idiot. The three best players on the team will, of course, be starting.
For exmaple, it's long been speculated that Mariner is not a Soolsma fan. He brought in Lambe. If Lambe is fit and in reasonable form, he will start and Soolsma will gather splinters until late in the game when Lambe is legless.
im going to give the guy who sees playets at training everyday the benefit of doubt
I'm not feeling predisposed to give Chuggers the benefit of anything. We've seen some of these guys play 30-40 games. If you can't form an informed opinion on their strengths and weaknesses over that time you're not being too observant.
Last edited by Canary10; 06-14-2012 at 11:09 AM.
Kurtis Larson tweeting a bunch of stuff from training today: http://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN
Interviews & articles probably to follow. Mariner just mentioned, the way the team is setup today may be different from Saturday. Three WCQ guys partially back, and may or may not be playing Saturday yet. In any case, Larson wonders if Morgan may have lost his starting spot to Hall. Silva playing up front with Danny for now. Peri Marosevic looks to be gone from the team again.
Larson guesses this as a 4-4-2 lineup for Sat: Kocic, Hall, Henry, Cann, Ecks, Avila, Frings, Dunfield, Lambe, Johnson, Koevermans
Dunfield? Ugh...
RJ and JDG need a break
I like when he plays. I can point out to my son what happens when you don't develop skill with your left foot
I have a feeling that Dunfield would be a much more effective player in a simpler system. Just like Iro would have been last season.
Are you calling him stupid?
Wow, from the tweets, it sounds like a night and day difference from Winter to Mariner. If a change was needed, i'm glad it's not a subtle one.
Wow. Either Kurt Larson is a MLSE shill (which I seriously doubt based on his exemplary track record as a TFC journalist) or he is genuinely impressed with the direction, professionalism, and enthusiasm that has been apparent throughout Paul Mariner's training sessions. He notes a stark contrast in comparison to the sedate nature of Winter's methods in the past.
Sounds encouraging. The task is clear. Win or draw. There is no lose.
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When you watch a Mariner training session, you realize Winter had no clue how to coach in a pro environment. #TFC#SportingKC
hmmmm... like maybe Winter was too inexperienced?
If Mariner can turn things around, hats off to him, and I'll be cheering him on.
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Or your right foot
maybe, but that doesn't make him a better player. Mariner said that the system is dictated by the players, but I have a hard time believing that Dunfield is one of the best players and needs a certain system to preform. If Dunfield starts, I will evaluate the team by the first half. If they play like shit, ill be done
Im going to guesd dunfield starts to givr jdg a rest
Or your right foot
maybe, but that doesn't make him a better player. Mariner said that the system is dictated by the players, but I have a hard time believing that Dunfield is one of the best players and needs a certain system to preform. If Dunfield starts, I will evaluate the team by the first half. If they play like shit, ill be done
i'd like to see this
-----------Kocic------------
-Ecks-Cann-Henry-Morgan-
-------JDG-Frings----------
---Lambe-Avila-Johnson----
-------Koevermans---------
I still refuse to believe that Dunfield is our third best central midfielder after Frings and JDG. There's no reason why we can't play with Frings and Avila or even Burgos. It's not like we have a shortage of wingers so it's not like Avila is filling in for anyone out there.
we should play:
Kocic
Eckersley - Cann - Henry - Morgan/Hall
Soolsma - Frings - Avila - Lambe
-------Koevermans - Silva
IMO playing Dunfield is a signal of kick and run football.
If Mariner goes with a traditional 4-5-1...
-----------------Kocic-----------------
------------Henry----Cann-----------
Eckersley---------------------Morgan
----------------Frings-----------------
---------JDG-----------Avila----------
Lambe------------------------Johnson
-------------Koevermans-------------
Last edited by ManUtd4ever; 06-14-2012 at 08:14 PM.
If Mariner goes with a traditional 4-4-2...
------------------Kocic-------------------
------------Henry------Cann-------------
Eckersley-------------------------Morgan
-------------JDG-------Frings-------------
Lambe----------------------------Johnson
------------Avila---------------------------
--------------------Koevermans-----------
Last edited by ManUtd4ever; 06-14-2012 at 08:15 PM.
Some possibly useful info about the KC game & beyond in the videos posted today on the TFC website: http://www.torontofc.ca/video
Including first interview with Danny K since Winter left.
--------------kocic--------------
Eks------Cann-----Henry----Morgan
------------Frings----JDG--------
Lambe------------------------Avila
---------koev-----Johnson-------
This would be my 4-4-2 with some attacking flair!
Subs:
Roberts
Williams
Hall
Soolsma
Plata
Silva
Dunfield
Soolsma used as ST in this formation and plata as a LM hall as RB or RM sub Silva as a second ST or MF Williams is the obvious CB needs minutes dunfield as a last resort if we are leading take off a ST and play with 5 man MF
Score 2-2 tie
I would prefer JDG in a more defensive role, ahead of the back four, over Frings. While he has some speed, i'm not convinced he can strike well from distance.
If Dunfield starts I'm turning it off....he has NO BUSINESS being a starter...
Why is everybody jumping on the bandwagon that they think Mariner is going to start Dunfield in every game (if everyone is available and fit)? I'm sure Mariner isn't stupid! As long as TFC's prefered central midfield of Frings, JDG, and one of Avila/Silva/Johnson is available, then Dunfield won't be playing.
Unfortunately as JDG has played and traveled a load of Canada games, and Silva has been away with his ailing father, the chances of Dunfield playing are higher. But I'm still sure he'd be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order under Mariner (or any other coach).
With our current squad of players, I would LOVE to see this version of 4-4-2. I think we have the players to play this, and do it well. Plata and Lambe need to hug the touchline and be proper wingers (and not running inside like under Winter). Frings and JDG don't need to be fancy with the ball, they need to get it to the wings and let the wingers be penetrative with their runs.
This.
Dortmund plays a 4-4-1-1 direct brand of football. I'd be a fan of that if we go that route, so in the end Johnson would play behind Koev.
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