Who do you want? (CCL)

[TOBOR !]

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_CONCACAF_Champions_League

"On January 12, 2012, CONCACAF announced that the 2012–13 tournament will be played under a different format than previous editions.^[5] The Preliminary Round will be eliminated, and all 24 teams are instead placed into eight groups of three teams each for the Group Stage of the tournament. For the Group Stage draw, the teams are seeded into three pots, based on their national association and qualifying berth. Teams from the same association (excluding "wildcard" teams which replace a team from another association) cannot be drawn with each other in the Group Stage, and each group is guaranteed to contain a team from either the United States or Mexico, meaning U.S. and Mexican teams will not play each other in the first round."

im still confused..

Okay - in that case, three teams per group means 6 games in total : AvB, BvA, AvC, CvA, BvC, CvB

six rounds, but only one game from each group per round.

[ryan]

Okay - in that case, three teams per group means 6 games in total : AvB, BvA, AvC, CvA, BvC, CvB

six rounds, but only one game from each group per round.

Derp derp. lol @ me not making the connection for all teams not being able to play at once...in a 3 team group.

[MartinUtd]

Does anyone know when the draw takes place?

[TOBOR !]

^ nah - but I bet if you check that Wiki link it's there.

LOL @ Ryan

edits - I wonder how much longer Canada will get only one berth, while El Sal gets 3, and Nic, Hon, etc. get two ?

Maybe there'll be 1/2 spots where Vancouver can play home and away against a Central AM outift to get in (I don't see another way for them, TBH).

[Phil]

Then again, facing Becks and the Gals never gets old...

Anyone else find it funny that they LA played that game in their training jerseys?

[Technorgasm]

Tigres.. new team. . new scalp for TFC to collect.
easy.

[kodiakTFC]

LA. I love a full house.

[Joe Kool]

I say whatever gets us to avoid playing at the Skydome. I want my BMO Field seat for these games.

[bigredone]

I say whatever gets us to avoid playing at the Skydome. I want my BMO Field seat for these games.

Agreed, and I will proudly say - I FUCKEN LOVE BMO -

[bigredone]

On June 11th there is a CONCACAF champions Team summit. Perhaps then. Last year the draw was near the end of May I think so perhaps with Euro and WCQ the powers that draw are busy this year.

Sorry, this is in response to the "when is the draw" question my MartinUtd. Anyone else have any info?

[JamboAl]

According to the CONCACAF Champions League site, the draw is June 5th.

[spe18]

Although this certainly won't happen, my choice would be:

Antigua Barracuda FC
W Connection
Real Esteli

This way, tfc would almost certainly move onto the next round

[mdc 77]

Although this certainly won't happen, my choice would be:

Antigua Barracuda FC
W Connection
Real Esteli

This way, tfc would almost certainly move onto the next round

TFC will be in a group with 2 other teams. One of them will be Galaxy, Santos Laguna, UANL or Sounders. The other team will be from one of the weaker Central American or Caribbean clubs. Either way to move on TFC will have to win the group of 3 teams. Only the group winners move of the the round of 8.

[Joe Kool]

I kind of hope we take on Santos Laguna right away because if we can't beat teams like that then the rest of the rounds are a waste of time and are a potential for injuries if we are just going to be beat out of the competition later on. It was nice though being the only MLS team in it last year for that short period of time even though all of MLS media and fans were saying we were going to blow it. I also would like to see a rematch with SL anyway to see if we can pull it out this time against them.

[ryan]

I would guess that Mex clubs will take the group stage a bit less seriously than the knockout round so perhaps a point where we can take advantage. Also helps that they are in offseason while we're in high gear in MLS as opposed to the opposite for the knockouts.

Although, SL would probably want to play well vs us after last season. Perhaps Tigres might be a better choice, especially being their 1st venture into the tournament.

[ryan]

FYI - Draw is in 2 hours

[WestStandGeoff]

TFC will be in a group with 2 other teams. One of them will be Galaxy, Santos Laguna, UANL or Sounders. The other team will be from one of the weaker Central American or Caribbean clubs. Either way to move on TFC will have to win the group of 3 teams. Only the group winners move of the the round of 8.

Where are you getting this from? Only rule I see is about teams from the same country not facing each other in the first round, but nothing about TFC only being drawn against the US and Mexican teams from Pot A.

[ryan]

Where are you getting this from? Only rule I see is about teams from the same country not facing each other in the first round, but nothing about TFC only being drawn against the US and Mexican teams from Pot A.

It comes from the fact that no Mexican and US side will be drawn together. Which with a bit of logical process, rules out us getting a non US/MEX Pot A team.

[TFCBarrie]

We get Aguila and Santos - Confirmed.

http://www.concacaf.com/page/CL/News...798152,00.html

[ManUtd4ever]

In the revised CCL format, only the group winners will advance to the knockout round. TFC will certainly have their work cut out for them this time around, but if history is any indication, anything is possible.

Group 1
Santos Laguna (MEX)
Toronto FC (CAN)
Aguila (SLV)

Group 2
Herediano (CRC)
Real Salt Lake (USA)
Tauro FC (PAN)

Group 3
Olimpia (HON)
Houston Dynamo (USA)
FAS (SLV)

Group 4
Seattle Sounders FC (USA)
Marathon (HON)
Caribbean 1

Group 5
LA Galaxy (USA)
Metapan (SLV)
Caribbean 3

Group 6
Tigres UANL (MEX)
Alajuelense (CRC)
Real Esteli (NIC)

Group 7
Chorillo (PAN)
Monterrey (MEX)
Municipal (GUA)

Group 8
Xelaju (GUA)
Chivas de Guadalajara (MEX)
Caribbean 2

[ManUtd4ever]

On another note, the matches against Santos Laguna should be intense. It's great to have a quasi-rivalry in the CCL with a club outside MLS.

[Detroit_TFC]

Brutal draw for us. But like Mr ManUtd4ever says, we got some history with them now. Still going to be extraordinarily difficult for us but the game atmosphere for those games should be excellent.

[SirBobSaget]

I would really like to see the rationale (do they use coefficients??) behind allocation of berths.

El Salvador will be given 3 places again this year even though they have performed terribly recently in CONCACAF competition. El Salvador has only won 1 out of 6 prelim series, Canada has won 3 out of 4 of their prelim series. El Salvador only made it out of group stage 1 out of 4 attempts, Canada qualified out of groups 2 out of 3 times.


Here are some stats I have compiled comparing Canada vs El Salvador for last 4 competitions:


Places Given:
Canada 1 preliminary entry each competition,
total of 4

El Salvador total of 6 preliminary entries and allowed direct entry to group stage on 3 occasions,
total of 9


Record (W-D-L) for Prelim Round
Can 3-3-2 -> advancing 3 out of 4
ElS 2-5-5 -> advancing 1 out of 6


Record (W-D-L) for Group Round
Can 8-5-5 -> advancing 2 out of 3
ElS 4-4-14 -> advancing 1 out of 4

Record (W-D-L) for Knockout Rounds
Can 2-2-2 -> advancing 1 out of 3
ElS 0-1-1 -> advancing 0 out of 1

[TOBOR !]

^ it probably has something to do with El Sal (and just about every other country in CONCACAF) having a National Professional League.

[ManUtd4ever]

I would really like to see the rationale (do they use coefficients??) behind allocation of berths.

El Salvador will be given 3 places again this year even though they have performed terribly recently in CONCACAF competition. El Salvador has only won 1 out of 6 prelim series, Canada has won 3 out of 4 of their prelim series. El Salvador only made it out of group stage 1 out of 4 attempts, Canada qualified out of groups 2 out of 3 times.


Here are some stats I have compiled comparing Canada vs El Salvador for last 4 competitions:


Places Given:
Canada 1 preliminary entry each competition,
total of 4

El Salvador total of 6 preliminary entries and allowed direct entry to group stage on 3 occasions,
total of 9


Record (W-D-L) for Prelim Round
Can 3-3-2 -> advancing 3 out of 4
ElS 2-5-5 -> advancing 1 out of 6


Record (W-D-L) for Group Round
Can 8-5-5 -> advancing 2 out of 3
ElS 4-4-14 -> advancing 1 out of 4

Record (W-D-L) for Knockout Rounds
Can 2-2-2 -> advancing 1 out of 3
ElS 0-1-1 -> advancing 0 out of 1

It's a contentious issue that has been lamented many times within RPB Forums, and I agree that it seems unfair based on the results in the CCL since it's inception.

Unfortunately, unless the CSA expands the Voyageurs Cup tournament, Canada will not be granted more than one entry in the CCL with only 4-5 professional clubs represented within the country.

[Furtado91]

so how will the matches work out with only 3 teams in each group. so if Toronto Fc faces Santos Laguna, Aguila will not be playing?

[MartinUtd]

Sorry guys, I voted for Santos

[ManUtd4ever]

so how will the matches work out with only 3 teams in each group. so if Toronto Fc faces Santos Laguna, Aguila will not be playing?

Exactly. Each club will play a total of four matches; two home, two away.

[denime]

CCL SCHEDULE DATES FOR 2012

2012
JULY 31- August 2 Group Stage – Round 1

AUGUST
21-23 Group Stage – Round 2
28-30 Group Stage – Round 3

SEPTEMBER
18-20 Group Stage – Round 4
25-27 Group Stage – Round 5

OCTOBER 23-25 Group Stage – Round 6

[Furtado91]

lets hope the 2nd match is at bmo against those diving cry babies santos laguna. DIG A HOLE AND BURY THEM.