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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    So now if it continues, Mariner is fully implicated in it, and possibly Brennan as well. If I were Brennan, I'd want to be making damn sure I'm not being set up for something.

    This whole thing smells. They're putting off the hard decision by trying to say they've done something. Better to rip the band-aid right off.
    Certainly doesn't inspire confidence, does it. What a crazy way to do things.

    If we could just operate like a regular team we'd save ourselves some headaches. Reminds me of Mo Johnston continually reinventing his role and replacing coaches when he was really the problem. TFC just needs to get to the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    If they do go for a change, it looks like Mariner as coach with Jimmy B. as assistant. BDK keeping the academy Dutch-flavoured.

    0-8 is why they brought this in. I won't be writing Winter's obituary yet. Anselmi's not a guy to rush things.

    Could be that when (if?) Vancouver knocks TFC out of CCL contention, that will force Tom's hand, though.
    BDK is Winter's guy. No way he stays if AW is fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    My thoughts exactly.

    what was the setup in New England when it came to player scouting? Was Mariners current position even there? or was it his job to assist and scout?
    Mariner assisted and scouted, from what I recall. Remember that Kraft wouldn't have paid for a big front office or coaching staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detroit_TFC View Post
    BDK is Winter's guy. No way he stays if AW is fired.
    But this way he is forced to quit instead of getting a buyout from the club is they terminate his contract.

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    So how much of this is installing Mariner in a quasi-assistant position to make Steve Nicol comfortable when he arrives? [he asks rhetorically]

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    Seems BDK isn't happy with the move.

    As per Larson,
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    De Klerk when asked "why the change": "That's a question for Aron Winter." #TFC


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    interesting quotes from BDK via Kurtis Larson's twitter account:

    "FYI, De Klerk did not seem like a man who had just been "promoted.""

    "De Klerk when asked "why the change": "That's a question for Aron Winter.""

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    ^ Which tells me this move isn't Winter's idea.

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    Let's face it, our club is in 100% crisis mode again, and yet again it's being mishandled. Fuck.

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    wait...who made this decision?

    under what guidance was this made?

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    the senior players are running their own game anyways

    no one is getting through to JDG anyway, and koevermans is going to be drinking beer regardless, and frings just does his job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    Allow me to remind everyone of Anselmi's famous promise of getting the "best front office in MLS".

    18 months later and this is what they have come up with.

    I have no words.
    It's cosmetic, nothing more. It's likely a precursor to permanent changes in the front office should Winter continue to falter. I have the distinct feeling that Anselmi's hands are tied at the moment as a result of the pending transfer of ownership within MLSE, and therefore, no long term decisions will be made at this point in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyjones View Post
    interesting quotes from BDK via Kurtis Larson's twitter account:

    "FYI, De Klerk did not seem like a man who had just been "promoted.""

    "De Klerk when asked "why the change": "That's a question for Aron Winter.""
    actually to me it makes it sound as though it was Winters decision.

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    And drama continues in TFC land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    So now if it continues, Mariner is fully implicated in it, and possibly Brennan as well. If I were Brennan, I'd want to be making damn sure I'm not being set up for something.

    This whole thing smells. They're putting off the hard decision by trying to say they've done something. Better to rip the band-aid right off.
    I think people have underestimated how politically adept the guys above TFC management have been from the very beginning. Sure, it would be good for Brennan to make sure he isn't being set-up for something, but taking a job at MLSE means being set-up for something. Everyone that's ever worked for TFC has been put in place as insulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat View Post
    actually to me it makes it sound as though it was Winters decision.
    That's how I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detroit_TFC View Post
    One theory - maybe the players weren't comfortable with BDK's style of coaching and that is part of the funk. Could be an outcome of the clear the air meeting. Jimmy B as a former TFC player might have a different vibe. I'm just not sure how much technical knowledge he has to impart to senior players.
    Really Winter need only be the person with the technical knowledge.

    His assistant needs to be the guy who motivates, and man manages. Maybe Brennan will be better at this than De Klerk?

    De Klerk is rather old school (rather like John Carver) where he resorts to shouting and aggression towards players. But that doesn't always work with pro athletes.

    Brennan might have a softer approach that the players might react better to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyjones View Post
    interesting quotes from BDK via Kurtis Larson's twitter account:

    "FYI, De Klerk did not seem like a man who had just been "promoted.""

    "De Klerk when asked "why the change": "That's a question for Aron Winter.""
    That's very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat View Post
    actually to me it makes it sound as though it was Winters decision.
    It would be amaziong if a team that 0-8 let him make these kinds of decisions, but anything's possible here.

    This would be what Anselmi meant by, "They have to work it out."

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    Tom Anselmi needs to be fired and/or have nothing to do with Toronto FC.

    Period.

    This "club" will continue to be nothing but an embarrassing shit show as long as the current clueless staff at ML$E is running things.

    It's way beyond a fucking embarrassment. This is a completely rudderless organization.

    What a complete, fucking disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Red View Post
    It would be amaziong if a team that 0-8 let him make these kinds of decisions, but anything's possible here.

    This would be what Anselmi meant by, "They have to work it out."
    If Winter and De Klerk were butting heads - its no wonder that TFC are 0-8.

    I don't know Jim Brennan at all. Does anybody know what type of guy he is? He always seemed like the "nice guy" whenever I've heard him speak? I'm sure a few on this board have met the guy and can tell us what type of person he is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMacphisto View Post
    Tom Anselmi needs to be fired and/or have nothing to do with Toronto FC.

    Period.

    This "club" will continue to be nothing but an embarrassing shit show as long as the current clueless staff at ML$E is running things.

    It's way beyond a fucking embarrassment. This is a completely rudderless organization.

    What a complete, fucking disaster.
    I have NO idea why people are crapping all over this news!

    It can only be a positive thing to change some of the management at TFC right now! Can we all give it a chance and see what happens?

    Clearly this organisation ISNT rudderless, otherwise they wouldn't have changed anything!

    I praise the changes made today!

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    ^ Interesting quote from BDK. However, that's not the only quote from him during his interview. Clearly BDK isn't all happy, but it's not all bad either for him I think. It will be interesting to hear his full interview (if/when that gets posted), and the full articles from various journos, before passing judgement. Hopefully we can see a bigger picture about all these moves eventually -- nah I doubt it.

    As I noted above, it looks like a demotion of BDK wrt. on-field responsibilities, but a promotion in terms of scouting & links to the academy. For Mariner, it looks like at least a partial demotion wrt. scouting, but a promotion wrt. to on-field stuff.

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    TFC couldn't go an entire week without drama - this makes good reading on a Monday afternoon. Thank you MLSE for being so screwed up!

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    Umm, personally I think 0-8 is much bigger drama than these management changes. I mean, wouldn't it be real drama if they did nothing at 0-8? I'm not saying these changes inspire much confidence or are enough; I just don't get why a management shuffle like this, with nobody (yet) getting fired and nobody new coming in (yet) is considered "drama."

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post
    I have NO idea why people are crapping all over this news!

    It can only be a positive thing to change some of the management at TFC right now! Can we all give it a chance and see what happens?

    Clearly this organisation ISNT rudderless, otherwise they wouldn't have changed anything!

    I praise the changes made today!
    I just can't see how half-measures are a good thing. If it's bad enough to make any move, I think it needs to be the big move, not this minor tinkering stuff.

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    Jimmy B is really being groomed to take over head coaching job in future
    “Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.

    I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’

    And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”

    -Eduardo Galeano

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    ^ If that's the case we know for sure this wasn't Winter's doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Red View Post
    It would be amaziong if a team that 0-8 let him make these kinds of decisions, but anything's possible here.

    This would be what Anselmi meant by, "They have to work it out."
    Maybe Winter was the one left to pass on the news of the "promotion" to De Klerk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boy View Post

    I don't know Jim Brennan at all. Does anybody know what type of guy he is? He always seemed like the "nice guy" whenever I've heard him speak? I'm sure a few on this board have met the guy and can tell us what type of person he is?
    He's every bit as nice as he sounds. He's also very much an "ordinary guy," the sort of person you'd expect to be playing hockey for a rec team, or you'd have a beer with at the local pub. No pretentiousness at all... pretty well the antithesis to Lord Black.
    Last edited by Oldtimer; 05-14-2012 at 02:33 PM.

 

 

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