At around the 4:00 minute mark in the Winter interview....did he say he is remaining as technical director but will NOT be on the pitch anymore?Originally Posted by BayernTFC
Do these reporters even listen to the answers or is it my bad ears? lol
At around the 4:00 minute mark in the Winter interview....did he say he is remaining as technical director but will NOT be on the pitch anymore?
Do these reporters even listen to the answers or is it my bad ears? lol
I know, how about some paragraphs!
Hey, Jimmy was captain before he was promoted to the club's assistant GM. That has to count for something. And before he was promoted to assistant coach of the first team he was coaching some kids. He has at least filled out a roster sheet.
Natural career progression, especially for someone with little to no experience. I'm sure his tenure as assistant will add as much value as his tenure as captain and as assistant GM.
I'm also particularly worried about the Brennan promotion based on past experience and various rumours. However, some have said that Brennan has done well with the U-17 team. Is that true, anyone have any insight?
The question was asked whether Winter was still Technical Director. Winter answered, "Yes, of course. Yes, of course. But, I'm now going to be more on the pitch."
I think he said "I will be MORE on the pitch"
Just some reminders about Brennan:
In mid 2007, as the concern about the plastic multiplied with the injuries, our captain became a paid promoter of Fieldturf. It was entirely within his right. But was it a demonstration of leadership?
He was part of the Cochrane/Anselmi FO (as assistant GM or some such) post Mo in 2010. He is 100% an Anselmi appointee.
He is wound very tight, and was not temperamentally well suited to being captain. He got a lot of criticism for that here. Really he had relatively few supporters in the captain's role. (Remember Garcia coming in and owning the huddle before his first game?)
He also played hard and played hurt. I know that too. I don't hate the guy.
The good news is, it's probably better for Brennan to get some "visibility" in this circus. Let Dichio keep working with the kids, and working on his craft, this terrible year. Danny won't be perceived as part of the problem by the new owners.
Last edited by ensco; 05-14-2012 at 04:50 PM.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Thanks guys. I'll chalk that up to my bad ears. LOL
Let me put this into perspective. Say a player plays for ManU(2 1/2 years), retires to become the assistant of the GM at ManU, goes onto coaching the youth team of ManU then finds himself shorlty 1 year becoming the assistant to Sir Alex. I dont care if your fucking Donkey Kong FC or ManU, a professional organziation does not do this shit no matter how shit the league or club is.
So... are you saying DC and New England aren't professional teams?
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
A bunch of two-sticks with deck chairs on 'em and just keep moving around with them.
Is this a joke !
What substantial difference is this going to make ?
This is the change I would prefer to see, from the top down...
Anselmi
Cochrane
Bernie
Thats what I call change
Let's see first if these changes work before we start criticizing. I personally like these changes. TFC needs more management structure and they decided to do that internally. Bob De Clerk will bring that with the help of Paul Mariner and Earl Cohranes. I believe TFC has major issues scouting international players, remember Giovanni Caicedo and Miguel Aceval were Paul Mariner signings with Winter signing off. In my opinion Paul Mariner and the rest of the scouting staff have done a horrendous job. That's what TFC fans should look at. WHO IS SCOUTING INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS. Not players we all know, but quality undiscovered talent from Europe, Central and South America and Asia/Africa.
Let's hope Bob De Clerk brings some structure to international scouting and also hire more international scouts. We as fans don't know how many international scouts TFC have and if they are good enough to discover untapped talent. There's no salary cap on hiring qualified and experienced international scouts. MLSE have the money. Rogers has done that with the Toronto Blue Jays why can't MLSE do that with TFC.
I do believe TFC have structural issues that need to resolved.
I dont know what you are reffering too.
Quite frankly an organization making a former player who just retires recently and now has a grand total of 2 years experiance coaching youth into an asssistant coach is ill advised. This is one of the many reasons Winter is disliked, I myself do not see TFC as a professionally run club and i think you would agree on that. Indivduals should have to earn there ranks through time, it says a lot about an organization when a player can become 1 step away from manager(coach) within 2 years of retiring.
New England hired Jay Heaps as head coach basically straight after Heaps retired. DC United appointed Ben Olsen as an assistant, and like 7 months later, he was appointed interim manager, then manager.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
up pops a smiling mo johnston
This is why many see MLS as bush league. Do you think any of those two individuals have the necessary experiance to run a club, this wont happen in many major football leagues in the world. I dont want to look as hating on MLS but these hirings make the league look bad.
Were people laughing at Sunderland when they signed Roy Keane in 06?
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Kreis retired in early 2007 and became the head coach almost immediately. Success didn't come instantly, but RSL is viewed as one of the powerhouses of the league now.
Those leagues have the benefit of being around for over 100 years.
Last edited by PopePouri; 05-14-2012 at 06:25 PM.
Well no. Sometimes they work out, but hiring big name stars will always look ok when they have no experiance. My point is you cant start hiring former players as managers, these individuals(everyone else as well) have to work their way up the ladder. This is when you evaluate if they are good enough to begin a new role. Jimmy B coaching TFC academy for 2 years is nowhere near enough time to evaluate if he is ready.
This is what I suspect is going on:
* Winter and Mariner have been fighting since the start. This has been alluded to in Ives Galarcep's blog since pre-season. We've since had suggestions of people in the front office blocking player moves.
* Winter's team obviously has some talent but goes to 0-8 and there's obvious communication issues, thus the meetings.
* They attempt a quick fix with this move, while also setting up a caretaker in case it doesn't work: Mariner is removed from the front office, so Winter's own guy, who he trusts, can handle player acquisition. At the same time, De Klerk, who is hotheaded but not necessarily a great communicator, is removed from day-to-day coaching of the players, and Brennan is brought in because a) he's played in this league and can relate and b) he's learned to teach the system at the Academy level; as a c) he's a loyal Anselmi guy who can be used as a caretaker if they fire the lot.
What this suggests is that the players still like Winter -- they say he has their back and their his in interviews, which isn't necessary and is only a positive indication -- but he's an absentee GM, not a training level guy. So there's no point, to Anselmi, in firing him. He's the local equivalent of Klinsmann: the face of the club and the guy who makes exec decisions. He's Tom's new insulation (whereas Mo was before).
This move smells of a belief that internal player acquisition issues, combined with poor communication by the field-level coach, were our biggest problems. Mariner is asked to stick around, but in a greatly reduced role -- they're basically making him the strikers' coach. And Anselmi is corporately covered six ways from Sunday: if the system keeps failing, he can fire Winter and Deklerk then and install Brennan temporarily as a "loyal team guy."
If the system turns around, he can take credit for putting DeKlerk into player acquisition and fire Mariner quietly as being extraneous.
Jay Heaps was one of better left backs in MLS for a long time. Ben Olsen, one of better DM. Jason Kreis was one of best strikers in the league. They may not be 'big name' overseas, but those 3 had some of better playing credentials.
BTW, Guardiola had only two years managing Barcelona 'B' team after retiring as player to manage perhaps the biggest club in the club
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Ok now I'm confused. When Brennan is asked what he's going to be doing, he answer that they've still got to discuss it?!
So they haven't actually talked this through at all yet?
I thought this was all planned out....but clearly it hasn't been!
Well then lets hope Jimmy B works out for everyones sake but history would suggest it wont, I just dont like inexperienced individuals running a club. Anyways he is not coach yet so this is moot and off topic.
the thought of Brennan anywhere on the pitch in a coaching role gives me the shudders. Don't you people remember 50 percent of his ball distribution as an average mls player was booting the ball down the pitch? He had good qualities, but one was clearly not controlling the movement of the ball the way Winter promised when he came here....I see these two strangling each other after the team goes 0-10
I don't want to sound like I'm just picking on you, but you have to put everything into context, esp in MLS where managers with good credentials fail (Queiroz with NY)
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I think we discussed in a different thread - a bad players doesn't necessarily mean a bad coach, and a good player doesn't always mean a good coach. So, I'll give Brennan the benefit of the doubt about his coaching abilities right now.
This is good. I like the Shakespearean element in this interpretation. Conniving and complicated, with the ring of truth.
Of course it could just be Much Ado About Nothing.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
That is true but usually the manager with the most experiance will have a higher chance of success. I know what your saying and i do believe that this league has many hurdles which must be overcome but not seen in many others.
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