Well the fact they still call A2 "Young Ajax" and the reserve team is still called Jong Ajax is confusing as well since they translate to the same thing.
Well the fact they still call A2 "Young Ajax" and the reserve team is still called Jong Ajax is confusing as well since they translate to the same thing.
That rattled around in my head for a little bit but I think I get it.
Winter was not involved in the top two tiers of Ajax, which are Ajax 1 (the senior team we all know) and Ajax 2 (Jong Ajax), correct?
Where he was involved was as an assistant on 3rd tier team, which was Ajax A1 and as head coach of the 4th tier team, which was Ajax A2, both of which are the youth teams.
Do I have that right Vic?
The problem is that a coach of a youth team, or reserve team, doesn't always equate to a a good first team manager. Winter may have had a good record at youth/reserve level, and I can see MLSE would want to hire him, but I don't see him as a good first team coach. He doesn't seem to have the motivational qualities to control a first team squad.
Originally Posted by joeyjones
No, I don't. But I would love to read his report and see how he came to the conclusions he did.
that's what i thought
He may have assisted with the reserve team at the beginning of his coaching. The bulk of his coaching was done with the A1 and A2 teams, the youth teams. So think the equivalent to Danny Dichio and Jim Brennan at TFC.
But two things are certain.
1) Whether he started with the reserve or even the first youth team, he got demoted down until he was out of a job in 2009. His contract wasn't renewed and Winter explicitly stated that he was "pursuing other opportunities with a first division team as a head coach or assistant with other Dutch teams."
2) He was out of job between the spring of 2009 and and the winter of 2010.
To maybe help with putting this puzzle together - I was always under the impression Winter was under Adrie Koster, who I *THINK* was the head of the Ajax Academy. So the group that was 18-21 and U18 was coached by those two.
Do you know what criteria he used? Obviously I think he (we keep saying 'he' when it was really a company called Soccer Solutions) has a different view on the history and culture of my city than I do, so I'm curious about it.
While I'd prefer a coach with MLS experience, I don't think that is necessary. I do think a head coach with experience coaching a first team (ideally successfully) is desirable. I think experience in North America is good, but I also think that an experienced foreign manager who has success at lower levels of football (so they have worked on limited budgets and with limited players) would also have potential.
no i don't know what criteria he used.....but you seemed to state it as fact that no research was done...again, not defending JK, but i am sure his company laid out a plan of attack that included that type of research. how it was done, i don't know..
spark you are correct.
I'd just like to see the research. It doesn't really matter, of course, but I work in the "cultural industries" and this kind of thing happens all the time. It grows out of the, "Canada has no culture," myth that is often repeated. I'd just like to know what cultural foundation of Toronto this plan is building on. It can become too academic very quickly, so I understand not many people are interested.
If this thread is about who should be sacked my vote goes to Anselmi, Beirne and Cochrane. It has been 6 years with these guys and occasional talk about
interference. They are the common thread in this club. Does not matter what system or what manager you have however ambitious .... if the front office is
inept you will not succeed. Winter goes to work everyday knowing Mariner and Cochrane are there to step in as manager GM. No coach in the world would
tolerate that!
i would be interested to see the cultural research as well....i have also thought that JK probably let MLSE know that if he did get the USMNT job that they would be playing the 433 from first team to youth teams. i would think that MLSE would have been all over that..pure conjecture obviously..
I actually heard that winter was in charge of the young ajax, subboteo team.
Is there any truth to that Whoop?
I just found footage of Winter managing Ajax;
Historically, getting a long-experienced NCAA coach works best of all, if you can't get one with good MLS experience.
and to post on topic....
we should dump them all. Winter for the recent form and the three Stoogies for the previous years.
I love that game. Wish I could get some to play with my kid.
^
that's what Winter will look like after the game tonight if we lose....red tie, underwear, his old cleats, an eight ball and 2 sixpacks of heineken trying to balance himself on half a melon..
^ Hahahahahha. That is good.
(Just having some fun here, guys...)
On the subject of Winter "losing the locker room"
From Arash Madini Twitter
Ryan Johnson on Aron Winter: "He wants to win really bad... We were unlucky on a lot of them. He has our backs and we have his." #TFC
Last night looked like a "hard work" win, didn't it? Looked good to me.
Nice win last night - but still doesn't change my opinion on Winter.
To his credit, Winter modified his tactics last game showing some flexibility.
One game is not enough for me to change my opinion, though. We'll see.
But the reports coming out of the team meeting make it seem like the players essentially told Winter how they want to play.
Counter quote with quote or better yet a link please.
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I'm too lazy to look it up. Its on the post-match thread.
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