I agree with sentiment regarding the need for a strong core of experienced MLS players. It's no coincidence that our most competitive squad (in league play) to date in 2009 was comprised of several battle hardened MLS veterans within the roster.
I agree with sentiment regarding the need for a strong core of experienced MLS players. It's no coincidence that our most competitive squad (in league play) to date in 2009 was comprised of several battle hardened MLS veterans within the roster.
We have no MLS players.
The "Canadian content" simply means these players haven't made the MLS yet.
We need players like Adam Moffat, Ben Zemanski, Micheal Farfan, Mac Kandji, Stephen Keel, Dejan Jakovic.
We HAVE TO HAVEplayers like Sebastien LeToux or Chris Wondowloski. We HAD that in De Rosario, and now we have NOTHING.
This is not an MLS team. This is more akin to some pseudo-CSL/NASL team with MLS players and, miraculously, three DPs.
hmm...tommy soehn
no actual canadians getting playing time
The Whitecaps is an organisation that knows how to run a solid soccer club. It has done for 30 odd years.
The wankers who own TFC also own the biggest hockey team in the world and they're an absolute joke.
What hope have they of making a success in soccer ? None.
What do the whitecaps have that TFC does not?
Zero Voyageurs Cups.
the fact we are in year 6 and have still not figured it out while teams such as Montreal are closer to doing that in year one of mls, probably adds more argument to them being clubs beforehand. They had struture, fan base, an identity and more importantly a board (who knows North American football)well in place before they made the leap into mls.
The reality is we are no further along now than we were when we started, in fact, squad wise we are worse off.
Not saying this is the only reason, but it has played a part. The 4 former USL teams that have joined the mls are all in a better place than we are and that should tell us something about how to run a club, not perfectly as no club is, but a hell of a lot better than ours is currently.
Last edited by burlington Red; 05-07-2012 at 06:36 PM. Reason: spelling
But how do you explain Vancouver not scoring much?They are in the bottom half in offense.
Scoring was a problem last year as well. They actually are scoring slightly *fewer* goals per game this year than last year, when they stunk and finished worse than TFC did in 2007.
I think what's happened is Rennie has put together a different philosophy, a defense first, who-cares-if-its-pretty kind of thing. They have enough scoring talent that they can nick more goals than they give up. Balance.
It's interesting that people are praising the great Vancouver organization when they really fucked things up last year -- keeping a coach from the NASL who seemed uncomfortable with things.. then firing him... then keeping the guy who brought in the all the players, but letting their CEO go (Paul Barber). They messed up big time last year, but seem to have (small sample size, let's see how the season finished) righted the listing ship quickly with a low-scoring, keep it close, approach.
Last edited by rocker; 05-07-2012 at 06:45 PM.
This is the kind of thing that will ultimately cause people to give up, because of the hopelessness.
Agree that it's too soon to crown Vancouver role models for anything, but the bigger issue is real. We are not competing for talent. It's not just Lee. There are a whole bunch of excellent, veteran non-DP defenders that came into MLS this past offseason.
Is it WinterMariner? Is it ownership's reputation (players must know about all the fights players here have had with mgmt over handshake deals)? Something else?
Last edited by ensco; 05-08-2012 at 07:09 AM.
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Everything has to come from the top. You can't win without the proper structure...I'm a strong believer if we were to sign the best possible coach for this club it would end up a difficult task to win here, but could still be achievable. If we don't have the proper organizational structure for 1) Accountability and 2) Direction/Vision then how could we possibly expect to win? TFC has a vision but is it properly being executed? I don't know!
This is essentially what Vancouver Whitecaps have...they have a history of winning and the ownership wants to win. They are taking babysteps but I can see them making the playoffs this year and even winning the Canadian Championship. I just hope that Winter allows a little bit more attacking of an attacking mentality when we come up against Montreal to have an opportunity to play Vancouver in the final. I'm sure players talk about the structure and atmosphere at TFC among one another in the MLS and/or even to other players who are seeking advice when coming here. This may even lead to us having a bad reputation, which equals a negative impact on attempting to sign solid players.
Last edited by Laurignano; 05-08-2012 at 04:31 PM.
Some fantastic points here.
The funny thing is tho, the whitecaps coming into this year was supposed to be a non-stop offensive dynamite (some had them pegged as the best offensive team in the entire MLS), But Instead with YP lee and bonjour on the back end, They have
Turned out to be a incredible defensive team that can score offense here and there.
Management is a huge reason clearly, a winning culture and smart personnel is another thing.
I also do believe having MLS players and vets help a ton instead of having a bunch of canadians on the team.
The scary part is the depth that the caps have on bench, when you have guys like mattocks, Mento's, hassli coming off the bench is ridiculous.
What do the whitecaps have that TFC does not?
An empty trophy cabinet
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Dino would be great! I got a ride on the Milltown FC team bus a couple of years ago and listened to him and Rafael Carbajal talking. I learned a lot just listening to the two of them. Rafa should be looking after the TFC Academy team (now he's no longer with Milltown).
I don't follow either hockey or basketball, but didn't MLSE go out and get guys to head those sports teams who had success elsewhere? I seem to remember that the basketball guy came from Phoenix and had managed to put together some good teams.
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To answer the OP:
...I think we've all said it 10000000 times - Earl Cochrane's past football experience, or lack thereof, and the position he currently holds at TFC (not to mention his past positions), pretty much sums up how this club has been run.
I mean, I was varsity captain and multiple all-star in rugby. I had some success in the senior amateur ranks too. My career in communications is not too shabby either. Based on Coch's hiring, I figure if MLSE ever gets a pro rugby club I'll get hired immediately.