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    ^ Thanks ensco.

    I didn't really notice the lead-up to his leaving the field, since I'm high on the west side, only when actually didn't leave. But I noticed when he came off, & his facial expression, and man was I worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDevils View Post
    Spot on. And not just any wind, it's one of those weird winds you get blowing back towards the south stand that knocks hats off, effectively causing one to piss on one's face.

    The best supporters in the MLS are strangely the ones that are most vocal about their rights and holding their FOs accountable. The atmosphere right now is more about the "boys on the field" (ugh), the atmosphere is and has been the only selling point in this clubs troubled history. You supporters hold the key to saving this club. Sometimes you need to pull over, turn that key to shut off the engine, and change a tire because the ride is getting uncomfortable.
    Ah. See "Vocal" means saying something. Doing something outside. I agree with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDevils View Post
    I'd love to know the dynamic between a German legend like Frings (with a short fuse) and a Dutch management team. I'm sure we have a German or Dutch member who can expand on how the two peoples feel about each other, at least when it comes to football .
    Leave the past in the past.

    Robben staying with Bayern and even though Ribery punched him it was a French fist on a German team. Van Perise and Kuyt may be playing for German teams soon. The Germans are very good at integrating people to there way, Podolski!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Just thought I'd put that out there, given that I stirred the pot on that yesterday.
    Yes. You. Did.

    But we forgive you.
    "Failure simply isn't an option at this stage. TFC pushed its chips to the middle of the table when it splurged on Bradley and Defoe and reinforced its bet by making savvy acquisitions elsewhere. This collection of players is capable of delivering on the promises made during the close season. There are no more excuses available for TFC. Only success will continue the process of atoning for the past and establishing a higher standard for the future." FOX Sports

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    I saw Frings at Longos Maple Leaf Square yesterday. He was in line in front of me at the checkout. He was reading his phone while his wife was getting something small. He paid. I didn't have the courage to speak to him. I just stared at him. Then he left and went up the escalator. Didn't carry any bags.

    My girlfriend said he's hot (she didn't really notice or care much for Frings before). I said his wife his hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMIN8R View Post
    Yes. You. Did.

    But we forgive you.
    Dude, if you sat on the west side, like all true fans do .... ;-) ... you'd have seen anger like something out of The Road Warrior!
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Dude, if you sat on the west side, like all true fans do .... ;-) ... you'd have seen anger like something out of The Road Warrior!

    Dude, there you go again....dividing the fans, huge gene.

    Don't make me go all cool ass Paul Beirne on you...
    "Failure simply isn't an option at this stage. TFC pushed its chips to the middle of the table when it splurged on Bradley and Defoe and reinforced its bet by making savvy acquisitions elsewhere. This collection of players is capable of delivering on the promises made during the close season. There are no more excuses available for TFC. Only success will continue the process of atoning for the past and establishing a higher standard for the future." FOX Sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocker View Post
    I saw Frings at Longos Maple Leaf Square yesterday. He was in line in front of me at the checkout. He was reading his phone while his wife was getting something small. He paid. I didn't have the courage to speak to him. I just stared at him. Then he left and went up the escalator. Didn't carry any bags.

    My girlfriend said he's hot (she didn't really notice or care much for Frings before). I said his wife his hot.
    I saw her too, she is hot alright;

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    ^I think Ty Harden, Nik Soolsma and Sean Penn were all separated at birth.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocker View Post
    I saw Frings at Longos Maple Leaf Square yesterday. He was in line in front of me at the checkout. He was reading his phone while his wife was getting something small. He paid. I didn't have the courage to speak to him. I just stared at him. Then he left and went up the escalator. Didn't carry any bags.

    My girlfriend said he's hot (she didn't really notice or care much for Frings before). I said his wife his hot.
    Well you definitely played it cool...

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    Assuming he isn't seriously injured ... I love Fringsy, but I wonder if we shouldn't trade him. Only with his consent of course. I bet there is a market for him.

    He is a perfect piece for a contender, but it makes no sense for him to be here, on a rebuilding (expansion?) team. We are asking him to do too much. Given his age and stage, he needs to come out after 60 minutes most games, and then go 90 minutes in the big games from September onward.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Assuming he isn't seriously injured ... I love Fringsy, but I wonder if we shouldn't trade him. Only with his consent of course. I bet there is a market for him.

    He is a perfect piece for a contender, but it makes no sense for him to be here, on a rebuilding (expansion?) team. We are asking him to do too much. Given his age and stage, he needs to come out after 60 minutes most games, and then go 90 minutes in the big games from September onward.
    This sort of confirms what people were saying about getting a DP too soon on an expansion team when he can't really make a difference and is wasted.

    And it really points to what you said in the Vncouver thread, we're not competing for non-DP players very well and that's where the biggest effect will be felt.

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    Wow, trade Frings? That is the solution?

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    Obviously trading Frings isn't a solution.

    However, the fitness issues we keep having with Frings and Koev's just highlights the problem of signing 33 year old plus DP's. I said when they signed, if they keep fit they are great signings. BUT, more than likely they won't keep fit as they are ageing. And that is exactly what has happened unfortunately.

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    An observation was made in another thread about older Dp's and how they tire when running down field with players like Plata. Are they holding players like Plata back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    ^I think Ty Harden, Nik Soolsma and Sean Penn were all separated at birth.
    How could you exclude this dude from that group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Assuming he isn't seriously injured ... I love Fringsy, but I wonder if we shouldn't trade him. Only with his consent of course. I bet there is a market for him.

    He is a perfect piece for a contender, but it makes no sense for him to be here, on a rebuilding (expansion?) team. We are asking him to do too much. Given his age and stage, he needs to come out after 60 minutes most games, and then go 90 minutes in the big games from September onward.

    really? I disagree with this. Having a guy like him mentoring your rookies mid level players on the pitch is so valuable to a rebuilding team.
    even if he is only playing 60 minutes per game he will help players with their confidence and understanding of the game much faster than if you didn't have him.

    DP or not, a player with experience is needed on all teams - especially expansion/rebuilding teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    really? I disagree with this. Having a guy like him mentoring your rookies mid level players on the pitch is so valuable to a rebuilding team.
    even if he is only playing 60 minutes per game he will help players with their confidence and understanding of the game much faster than if you didn't have him.

    DP or not, a player with experience is needed on all teams - especially expansion/rebuilding teams.
    This gets thrown around a lot, but is he reaaally mentoring the younger players on this squad? I wouldn't be so sure.

    Just from a cursory level, don't know how a world class athlete who has played at the highest level of the sport would feel they have in common with young players on the fringes of a developing league who grew up on a different continent. Personally, I see more evidence of someone like JDG being a mentor to younger players than the other guys on the squad.

    Just like coaching, your level of play does not necessarily indicate your ability to pass your knowledge on to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    This gets thrown around a lot, but is he reaaally mentoring the younger players on this squad? I wouldn't be so sure.

    Just from a cursory level, don't know how a world class athlete who has played at the highest level of the sport would feel they have in common with young players on the fringes of a developing league who grew up on a different continent. Personally, I see more evidence of someone like JDG being a mentor to younger players than the other guys on the squad.

    Just like coaching, your level of play does not necessarily indicate your ability to pass your knowledge on to others.
    I would hope he knows how to coach players on the pitch. He has shown interest in that side of the game with his old club in Germany and they are ready to bring him in with open arms when he's ready.

    At the end of the day, one could only assume he is mentoring the younger players based on the above facts. Also - if you are at BMO and just watch Frings you'll see how much he is doing to get guys in the right positions - although you'll also notice once those players are in the correct spot, they end up wandering away aimlessly, but that's another topic I guess.

    As for JDG - I don't see him as a mentor. At the end of the game, all of his interviews are about him and his play. he is very focused on his game and only his game. Aside from that, the only time I see JDG speaking to anyone on the pitch is when he is setting himself up for something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    This gets thrown around a lot, but is he reaaally mentoring the younger players on this squad? I wouldn't be so sure.

    Just from a cursory level, don't know how a world class athlete who has played at the highest level of the sport would feel they have in common with young players on the fringes of a developing league who grew up on a different continent. Personally, I see more evidence of someone like JDG being a mentor to younger players than the other guys on the squad.

    Just like coaching, your level of play does not necessarily indicate your ability to pass your knowledge on to others.
    Frings is a leader and the team captain. I'd hope he knows how to mentor others, especially he's going to get into youth coaching
    “Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.

    I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’

    And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”

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    From Asif's tweet - Winter says Koev and Frings are a maybe tomorrow and Soolsma more likely. That tells me that Frings didn't break anything and even if he doesn't play tomorrow he'll be OK for the next MLS game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yohan View Post
    Frings is a leader and the team captain. I'd hope he knows how to mentor others, especially he's going to get into youth coaching
    Frings may be captain - but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a great mentor. Look at our last two captains, and neither have been great mentors to any young players (DeRo and Santos). I think Frings is captain for his experience level, not necessarily other reasons.

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    Is it my eyesight or does Frings look heavier than last season? We don't seem to have a apecialist fitness coach anymore..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC Cityboy View Post
    Is it my eyesight or does Frings look heavier than last season? We don't seem to have a apecialist fitness coach anymore..
    come back to us, Paul Winsper!
    “Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.

    I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’

    And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”

    -Eduardo Galeano

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC Cityboy View Post
    Is it my eyesight or does Frings look heavier than last season? We don't seem to have a apecialist fitness coach anymore..
    I'm not sure he's "heavier" - but I do question the fitness level of some of the players right now. It really makes me wonder what Winter and De Klerk were working on all off season? The players seem neither super fit OR in tune with the tactics, so what were they all working on during the winter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC Cityboy View Post
    Is it my eyesight or does Frings look heavier than last season? We don't seem to have a apecialist fitness coach anymore..
    Apparently Grant Holt is CUT. The lesson there: don't try to figure it out by how they "look" on the pitch.
    Last edited by Canary10; 05-08-2012 at 11:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    I would hope he knows how to coach players on the pitch. He has shown interest in that side of the game with his old club in Germany and they are ready to bring him in with open arms when he's ready.

    At the end of the day, one could only assume he is mentoring the younger players based on the above facts. Also - if you are at BMO and just watch Frings you'll see how much he is doing to get guys in the right positions - although you'll also notice once those players are in the correct spot, they end up wandering away aimlessly, but that's another topic I guess.
    I see what you're saying but I see plenty of counter arguments as to why it might not be happening .. I wouldn't start with it as a base case. Don't discount the cultural aspect associated with the whole process and the language barrier. Torsen Frings is very different from the young players on this team.

    And just because you're a leader and a captain, doesn't mean you're a mentor. As an example: Michael Jordan was one of the best players to ever play basketball, he was an amazing captain and leader. But he broke the shit out of multiple young guys who played on his teams and was considered my many to a shark and a terrible mentor.

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    Why would Werder Bremen give Frings a job as youth coach then? PR stunt?
    “Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.

    I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’

    And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”

    -Eduardo Galeano

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC Cityboy View Post
    Is it my eyesight or does Frings look heavier than last season? We don't seem to have a apecialist fitness coach anymore..
    He looked fine when I stood next to him at Longos checkout the other day. lol. Not heavier than last year.

 

 

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