Postgame: DC 2- TFC 0 (this should be interesting)

[Cashcleaner]

That's exactly how I felt after the Chicago game, and for me that was my last game I will attend this season until something big happens, not simply firing Winter. He will be the scapegoat and again people will get hope that something will be different after all these years, when in fact it is MLSE that is the problem, not the many coaches who have tried to turn this team around. It is not a coincidence all the coaches have failed.

But it's not like we can call for MLSE's collective resignation. The one person who bears the responsibility for TFC's misfortune time and time again is Tom Anselmi. I do not believe we can prosper as a team as long as he is in charge. I have no doubt that he will always remain a part of MLSE in some executive capacity, but we need this club to have a DEDICATED and EXPERIENCE President in charge.

[sashavukelich]

Thomas Rogen in. 'nuff said.

Winter has absolutely lost the plot.

[boban]

That's exactly how I felt after the Chicago game, and for me that was my last game I will attend this season until something big happens, not simply firing Winter. He will be the scapegoat and again people will get hope that something will be different after all these years, when in fact it is MLSE that is the problem, not the many coaches who have tried to turn this team around. It is not a coincidence all the coaches have failed.

Well said.


And all this constant talk of firing Winter is . Firing him is treating the symptom, while the disease, problem, issue (whatever) persists.

[Redcoe15]

More bureaucracy than a government department.
Some of the highest ticket prices in the league.
Continued leadership or lackthereof from Day 1 staff that hold all the power.
Increasingly disappointed fanbase
No internal will to make real changes

That's all I can really say.

I can't blame the players, can't even blame Winter.

You could hire Jose Mourinho and this team wouldn't make playoffs.

Leadership starts at the top, not in the manager position, but the president's or chairman's position.

THIS!!! THIS!!! A thousand times THIS!!!

[bones]

Anselmi aint going anywhere,MLSE has big plans for him,he may get Peddie's job.

Not if Belgers has anything to do with it. Remember the organ grinder isn't in control of the show now, the monkey is driving that bitch!

[The Black Pearl]

But it's not like we can call for MLSE's collective resignation. The one person who bears the responsibility for TFC's misfortune time and time again is Tom Anselmi. I do not believe we can prosper as a team as long as he is in charge. I have no doubt that he will always remain a part of MLSE in some executive capacity, but we need this club to have a DEDICATED and EXPERIENCE President in charge.

If anything, Anselmi gets removed from TFC management.MLSE will not fire him

[ag futbol]

I have to question what MLSE is going to do in the future to improve on past results. They've milked every franchise they own to the n'th degree.

Basically they have to buy an NFL team now to find more suckers, otherwise they've milked the cow dry.

[TFC USA]

Excellent showing. We only lost 2-0, didn't let Dero score, and created chances.

Winter will turn things around and we will go 26-0-8. Fucking elite coach that man is.

I'm as happy as can be!!!!!

Plonk. We suck. If you suggest otherwise or even suggest we keep the status quo I will accuse you of being an MLSE plant. I'm not even joking.

Another awful showing.

[The Black Pearl]

Not if Belgers has anything to do with it. Remember the organ grinder isn't in control of the show now, the monkey is driving that bitch!

Excellent point, all bets are off after the sale is complete

[Brooker]

[T-boy]

Dear MLSE.

I am a season ticket holder in section 113. I have been a season ticket holder since year one. I am embarrassed and humiliated that my football team now owns the record of the worst start to any MLS season. I demand that Aron winter be removed from his position of Head Coach of my football team immediately. I will NOT attend another TFC home game this season until he is removed.

Sincerely,
R Morris.

[Sally Mack]

Definitely Anselmi..not sure if Paul Bierne should go because he has nothing to do with the on field product.... but definitely Anselmi should bare responsibility of two disaster football operations on his watch.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but last week when interviewed, Anselmi speaking about Winter and the problems etc. said "they'll" have to fix this.

Note the word "they" vs. "we". Interesting turn of phrase Tom.. I guess it isn't your responsibility, huh.

In the town hall, when we asked who would be held responsible if we didn't succeed, Beirne admitted it would be him. I doubt Beirne will take any accountability for this mess, even though he loved posing with klinsmann for photos.

[The Black Pearl]

Not "bits and pieces?

[sashavukelich]

What coaches are available now in MLS?

1) denis Hamett (coached Chicago)
2) Preki? (??)
3) Teitur THoradson? (van?)

[Ajax TFC]

There are only two things that I hate, people that are intolerant of other people's cultures and the dutch!

hey, hey, be nice. And stop hating yourself

[Toronto_Bhoy]

So when Jerkun recommended Winter for the job, I asked "Who do we blame when we can't acquire the talent to play 'Total Football' and it all ends in tears"?

I'll ask again, "Who do we blame?"

[rocker]

What coaches are available now in MLS?

1) denis Hamett (coached Chicago)
2) Preki? (??)
3) Teitur THoradson? (van?)

Hamlett sucks. He just inherited a good Chicago team.

Nicol or Rongen are the only ones I can think of that had some success at some point in this league and are available (without tampering, the way Seattle tampered with Columbus to get Sigi). Anyone else is taking another chance.

[TFCRegina]

So when Jerkun recommended Winter for the job, I asked "Who do we blame when we can't acquire the talent to play 'Total Football' and it all ends in tears"?

I'll ask again, "Who do we blame?"

Only one person to blame. And he's been at TFC since day 1, providing a leadership vacuum that has allowed this environment of futility to foster itself.

[jloome]

Hamlett sucks. He just inherited a good Chicago team.

Nicol or Rongen are the only ones I can think of that had some success at some point in this league. Anyone else is taking another chance.

Rongen was 1-9 and fired in his last chance as head coach at Chivas, and hasn't had a winning season in MLS in 13 years. Nicol's teams were on the decline steadily in New England. Both are yesterday's coach.

[T-boy]

So when Jerkun recommended Winter for the job, I asked "Who do we blame when we can't acquire the talent to play 'Total Football' and it all ends in tears"?

I'll ask again, "Who do we blame?"

I'm not sure why people are obssessing about "who to blame" for hiring Winter.

I've said before, football teams usually go through many different managers until they find the right now. Winter ISNT the right one, so he needs to go. It's as simple as that! Nothing else has to change other than winter needs to be removed from his position.

[denime]

Rongen was 1-9 and fired in his last chance as head coach at Chivas, and hasn't had a winning season in MLS in 13 years. Nicol's teams were on the decline steadily in New England. Both are yesterday's coach.

and both are already on TFC pay list.

[ag futbol]

and both are already on TFC pay list.

What are you saying here? is that a typo or do you know something we don't?

[sashavukelich]

Hamlett sucks. He just inherited a good Chicago team.

Nicol or Rongen are the only ones I can think of that had some success at some point in this league and are available (without tampering, the way Seattle tampered with Columbus to get Sigi). Anyone else is taking another chance.

Solid Rocker, but why not Tamper? I don't get why we just don't play dirty and offer the best MLS coach a yacht full of money??? It's not like that has anything to do with the cap, it's really our only leverage at this point.

[Just One Man]

I really have huge amounts of respect for those that continue to go to the stadium and sing all match long. I don't know how you do it but I can't. It has become a one way street. We are getting NOTHING back from the team.

Should you though? I know this is a "supporters" website, but really, the people still going down and chanting for this team, getting behind the team week in, week out, might they be a part of the problem?

Everybody wants to come up with a creative, meaningful "protest" to try and illicit change with this team, apparently oblivious to the fact that the most effective "protest" anybody can do is to simply not go.

Maybe "respect", isn't really what you should hold for those people. Pity, annoyance, befuddlement...all feelings I think might be a little more apropos to hold towards those poor souls still making the sludge down to BMO to suffer through the alleged "football" being played down there.

Anybody still going down to BMO is part of the problem. They're part of the reason this team never improves. I know people feel it makes them "better" fans, but Leaf fans have been doing this for decades, and where has it gotten them?

[denime]

What are you saying here? is that a typo or do you know something we don't?

No it is not a typo,it is an info from US.

[Max_TO]

Should you though? I know this is a "supporters" website, but really, the people still going down and chanting for this team, getting behind the team week in, week out, might they be a part of the problem?

Everybody wants to come up with a creative, meaningful "protest" to try and illicit change with this team, apparently oblivious to the fact that the most effective "protest" anybody can do is to simply not go.

Maybe "respect", isn't really what you should hold for those people. Pity, annoyance, befuddlement...all feelings I think might be a little more apropos to hold towards those poor souls still making the sludge down to BMO to suffer through the alleged "football" being played down there.

Anybody still going down to BMO is part of the problem. They're part of the reason this team never improves. I know people feel it makes them "better" fans, but Leaf fans have been doing this for decades, and where has it gotten them?

Have you forgotten that this is Toronto ? Remember the Leafs and there ticket sales ?

[123 elite]

Should you though? I know this is a "supporters" website, but really, the people still going down and chanting for this team, getting behind the team week in, week out, might they be a part of the problem?

Everybody wants to come up with a creative, meaningful "protest" to try and illicit change with this team, apparently oblivious to the fact that the most effective "protest" anybody can do is to simply not go.

Maybe "respect", isn't really what you should hold for those people. Pity, annoyance, befuddlement...all feelings I think might be a little more apropos to hold towards those poor souls still making the sludge down to BMO to suffer through the alleged "football" being played down there.

Anybody still going down to BMO is part of the problem. They're part of the reason this team never improves. I know people feel it makes them "better" fans, but Leaf fans have been doing this for decades, and where has it gotten them?

How exactly is wanting to watch a live football match in your own city being part of the problem? The problem is the management, the players and whetever is going on in the background. Its the same shit show whether its full or empty and has been since day 1. See last years morning rematch against Dallas for proof of an empty stadium not making any difference to a performance

[Shakes McQueen]

Hey look, we lost another game. It's safe to say I probably won't be watching the next one.

- Scott

[TorontoGooner]

I have re-written this message 5 times for fear of being removed from this forum. This is diplomatic as I can be:

Though some may consider it admirable to sing the entire 90 minutes, it just makes us look foolish and delivers no message to the players what so ever. There is a difference between loyal and being gullible. TFC have a great core support, such as the RPB's, NEE and U-Sector, but sadly its the 18000 odd other seats in the stadium that need selling. Continuing to sing just gives the MLSE more marketing power and a false sense that everything is ok.

I was sorely disappointed that there was nothing the way of a protest or any kind of hostility at the end of today's game. Everyone just packed up their things, grumbled, and walked away. That's not being a real football fan, that's being weak. I saw no passion from anyone really, and discussing throwing a shirt on to the pitch a week in advance kind of loses its spontaneity, and thus message, in the end. As a player, I would get the impression that no one gives a shit.

Two things need to happen. First, stop singing and applauding the players when they lose. And secondly, start congregating around the main stand after the game and give anyone on the MLSE payroll dog's abuse as they leave. I know this is Canada but can we at least show some aggression to get something done.

8 straight loses is inexcusable, pathetic and frankly, embarrassing. They don't deserve my support, your support or any loyal supporter who spends their hard earned money week in, week out. I won't be returning for a long time. Shove it, MLSE. And keep up the good work RPBs, you deserve more than this shit.

[The Black Pearl]

Should you though? I know this is a "supporters" website, but really, the people still going down and chanting for this team, getting behind the team week in, week out, might they be a part of the problem?

Everybody wants to come up with a creative, meaningful "protest" to try and illicit change with this team, apparently oblivious to the fact that the most effective "protest" anybody can do is to simply not go.

Maybe "respect", isn't really what you should hold for those people. Pity, annoyance, befuddlement...all feelings I think might be a little more apropos to hold towards those poor souls still making the sludge down to BMO to suffer through the alleged "football" being played down there.

Anybody still going down to BMO is part of the problem. They're part of the reason this team never improves. I know people feel it makes them "better" fans, but Leaf fans have been doing this for decades, and where has it gotten them?

What amazes me is how the legit media have not made anyone in management accountable.No radio or tv interviews asking WTF?
I have seen some stories in the newspaper, but The Fan basically ignores them