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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    But all of this is a completely different animal to what is being asserted about the group by people like "wordonbaystreet". I have no doubt that MLSE have a few marketing shills lurking the boards as registered users, and maybe even one or two that currently post, pretending to be fans. The group can't do anything about this, beyond take action on their accounts when they reveal themselves (which has been done more than once in the past), and try to do market research or astroturfing disguised as a regular user.

    That's far different than asserting MLSE are actually giving paid members, and executives, kickbacks for spreading the good word about the team. It's libelous, and completely without merit, beyond claiming that occasional appeals for more positivity on the boards is intrinsically "suspicious".

    - Scott
    You're a really smart guy, Scott and you are probably correct here.

    But if some posters on here aren't paid shills they are missing out on a big paycheque in my estimation. hahahaha

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    Look, if there's money to be made for telling people on the internet to stop fighting and love their team, I want that job.
    Forget the TFC Dream Job, that right there is a fantasy career.

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    The Conservative Party of Canada takes part in that practice of hiring people to post in the comment sections of newspaper and opinion sites.

    Not sure if that is really happening here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmenJBX View Post
    Look, if there's money to be made for telling people on the internet to stop fighting and love their team, I want that job.
    Forget the TFC Dream Job, that right there is a fantasy career.
    Im starting to like you, hahaha

    The job you describe would have a higher suicide rate than air traffic controlling. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narduch View Post
    The Conservative Party of Canada takes part in that practice of hiring people to post in the comment sections of newspaper and opinion sites.

    Not sure if that is really happening here.
    Please,keep politics out on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    Please,keep politics out on this.
    Thanks
    I was just trying to make a point, that the practice that Exiled Red is talking about does exist.

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    ^This stuff is hard to prove but very serious. I am personally aware of a major corporate campaign on tripadvisor to influence ratings there. Huge numbers of people involved, all done through VPN tunnels so you can't trace the IP addresses, very elaborate stuff. That is the reality of the world we live in.

    I think we know with certainty that MLSE are pretty net savvy and manage their net presence carefully. The right assumption is that they are on here in numbers.

    But I'm not sure it matters. I know who the opinion leaders here are, and none of them are prone to towing the MLSE line. Same for the mods (and I have questions about a couple, but not when it comes to their essentially loyalty). This is in pretty sharp contrast to some of the Leaf sites, where there are a number of people with 20,000 posts who will rip your head off if you dare suggest there was/is a problem with Richard Peddie or Tom Anselmi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post

    I think we know with certainty that MLSE are pretty net savvy and manage their net presence carefully. The right assumption is that they are on here in numbers.
    thankyou my friend, Ive had a number of critical posts cherry picked from their comments sections on their site, and not one of them is abusive in any way. I guess they control their own site, but how do you control sites like this? Is it productive to do so? Does MLSE consider the media's constant use of this site to gauge fan perception a threat to their brand? Oh you bet your arse they do.

    I like to think Im a little net savvy myself, having run my own web company for the last two and a half years, Ive met more people calling themselves 'social media consultants' and SEO specialists than I'd like to and I absolutely know that damage control and deflection on internet forums is common practise.

    (Saying that I agree with your assertation and am in no way trying to start a witchhunt. I believe constant hammering of truth will prevail over shilling nine times out of ten anyway.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    ... beyond claiming that occasional appeals for more positivity on the boards is intrinsically "suspicious".

    - Scott
    Positivity on a Supporters website suspicious? Sounds like a really curious culture some are trying to create
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    But all of this is a completely different animal to what is being asserted about the group by people like "wordonbaystreet". I have no doubt that MLSE have a few marketing shills lurking the boards as registered users, and maybe even one or two that currently post, pretending to be fans. The group can't do anything about this, beyond take action on their accounts when they reveal themselves (which has been done more than once in the past), and try to do market research or astroturfing disguised as a regular user.

    That's far different than asserting MLSE are actually giving paid members, and executives, kickbacks for spreading the good word about the team. It's libelous, and completely without merit, beyond claiming that occasional appeals for more positivity on the boards is intrinsically "suspicious".

    - Scott
    I try to throw some positivity into the board, hell, someone has to.

    I was even (I assume jokingly) called a shill :-)

    I guess I could be a double agent, working for MLSE and for Rogers/Bell, making it so that if they want to fire the entire FO they can point to the RPB forum and say 'see, some guy named sky says you suck, you're fired'

    Or maybe... This is all an elaborate plot by North Korea to keep us so occupied with the teams performance we dont notice the ICBM's being installed under BMO field...

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    Oh, the reason I keep checking this thread is in hopes it is true... Not yet eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky View Post
    I try to throw some positivity into the board, hell, someone has to.

    I was even (I assume jokingly) called a shill :-)

    I guess I could be a double agent, working for MLSE and for Rogers/Bell, making it so that if they want to fire the entire FO they can point to the RPB forum and say 'see, some guy named sky says you suck, you're fired'

    Or maybe... This is all an elaborate plot by North Korea to keep us so occupied with the teams performance we dont notice the ICBM's being installed under BMO field...
    Just to clarify, the motive isnt to sneak around the forumgathering your phone numbers, its to distort the media perception of fanbase opinion, or render the collective opinion neutral by splitting it into two equal halves, and then adding irrelevance to further obfuscate which opinion is predominant.

    A divided fanbase is much more acceptable than one united against the ownership and that is all i will say on this tonight.

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    ^ So you are going to help with the Anselmi Out TIFO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky View Post
    ^ So you are going to help with the Anselmi Out TIFO?
    No, Im going to make websites and play with my kids, here in Guelph, while pushing my opinion and trying to change others on this forum.

    Im sure the tifo will look great though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRed View Post
    No, Im going to make websites and play with my kids, here in Guelph, while pushing my opinion and trying to change others on this forum.

    Im sure the tifo will look great though.
    I hope you're not with MRX. They're in Guelph and their sites I deal with have all the reliability and operational dexterity of the Bulgarian space program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRed View Post
    No, Im going to make websites and play with my kids, here in Guelph, while pushing my opinion and trying to change others on this forum.

    Im sure the tifo will look great though.
    Too bad you're in Guelph, we could have the kids play while we drink beer and make a TIFO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmenJBX View Post
    Look, if there's money to be made for telling people on the internet to stop fighting and love their team, I want that job. Forget the TFC Dream Job, that right there is a fantasy career.
    i forget who wrote it, but i distinctly remember reading something along the lines of "oh yeah, we've really done a great job on controlling fan dischord thus far. none of us are pissed off at all!!" i just get the feeling that this job would be paramount to that episode of the simpsons where bart dreams he's in the electric chair for principal skinners alleged murder:

    Bart: Reverend Lovejoy? Have you come to give me my condolences?
    Reverend Lovejoy: As a matter of tradition more than anything.
    Reverend Lovejoy pats Bart's shoulder ½-heartedly.

    Reverend Lovejoy
    {wooden}: There, there. There, there.


    Quote Originally Posted by sky View Post
    Oh, the reason I keep checking this thread is in hopes it is true... Not yet eh?
    hahahaha. this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    ^This stuff is hard to prove but very serious. I am personally aware of a major corporate campaign on tripadvisor to influence ratings there. Huge numbers of people involved, all done through VPN tunnels so you can't trace the IP addresses, very elaborate stuff. That is the reality of the world we live in.

    I think we know with certainty that MLSE are pretty net savvy and manage their net presence carefully. The right assumption is that they are on here in numbers.

    But I'm not sure it matters. I know who the opinion leaders here are, and none of them are prone to towing the MLSE line. Same for the mods (and I have questions about a couple, but not when it comes to their essentially loyalty). This is in pretty sharp contrast to some of the Leaf sites, where there are a number of people with 20,000 posts who will rip your head off if you dare suggest there was/is a problem with Richard Peddie or Tom Anselmi.
    I never usually comment but this is 100% true. My buddie does it for major corporations including hotel chains and anything else that has major review sites. Never believe anything you read on the internet my friends.

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    The conversation is going to get very existential if aren't careful.


    There's an anti-Anselmi tifo in there somewhere...............

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    John Molinaro on twitter says no idea where the JDG rumours started - he is here forever!!! (I added the last part )
    Last edited by Nuvinho; 04-24-2012 at 10:48 AM.

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    TBH I stopped believing any and all Toronto FC rumors and counter rumors a few weeks ago. When you live in a city with 4 daily national papers, 3 all sports tv stations, 2 all sports radio stations and a magazine, plus literally thousands of sports blogs (some very very good). People need things to write about that are interesting/controversial enough to get hits. People see TFCs carcass and pick at it. Start a "JDG is leaving!" rumor, get 2-3 days of stories on him leaving, then get a day or 2 of reaction from the management and the player, then get another day or 2 of opinion pieces of why JDG should or shouldn't leave or bashing ownership for signing him in the first place/not moving him. More than a weeks worth of stories, off of a single tweet or quote taken out of context or even complete fabrication. A weeks worth of stories that not just TFC fans can relate to, but fans of the Leafs and Raptors too. It's an easy 'attack MLSE!' angle done in a safe way (MLSE won't take nearly as much note of it as it would a similar slamming of them from the Leafs press) that no-one would get too upset about. A guaranteed seller. All the while we're sitting here with baited breathe waiting for some news to finally hit one way or the other, meanwhile JDG and the club are sitting there like WTF? I find the media covering TFC at this point to be more insufferable than the club itself AND the message board combined. Then again maybe I'm just cynical.

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    I'm ok with MLSE planting people on here. Just as long as they buy my spare tix in Ticket Forum. Too much to ask?

 

 

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