What those numbers tell me is we were crap with DeRo and we are crap without him.Originally Posted by asterix606
What those numbers tell me is we were crap with DeRo and we are crap without him.
yet, we never made it as far as we did in the CCL
You say we removed the passion and fire. I say we accommodated an unhappy and selfish player with his trade request.
His contract was good enough to play for DC but not for us. Yet, you miss him. Funny.
If only TFC had offered a similar contract eh?
What a load of crap - Dero was a great homeboy CANADIAN talent - the potential marketing, the talent and the delivery of quality soccer talent was squandered. MLSE refused to honour Mo's promises. Then MLSE (ie Tommy Boi) was publicly humiliated by Dero for exposing less than honourable business dealings. Winter et. al. is caught in the crossfire and pisses him away FOR NOTHING. These are facts - drivel about cliques is nothing but that - start with what caused the issues - lack of anything reflecting moral fibre within the mlse organization. Ban me AGAIN from these board if you must or close the thread, as per usual, but last years April fool's joke hurt this team tremendously. I am pro-Winter and support the boys as we speak - but stop this snivelling, rear view mirror denial. WE ARE WORST NOW - SUCK IT UP - Dero would have helped - A LOT!!
Last edited by tiberius; 04-15-2012 at 08:00 PM.
Interesting DeRo stat: number of playoff appearances without DeRo: zero. Number of playoff appearances with DeRo: zero
It seems a little odd that you can see the problems with the front office clearly and yet don't see any connection between those problems and a player's "unhappiness" with the organization. An exec who has little to no experience in the sports business and who has pretty consistently hired inexperienced managers and coaches might look less than competely secure in his position and he might have trouble with an outspoken player who has the support of the fans. But in this city it seems quite easy for the corporation to get suprt over the players. For some reason in Toronto it's always the players' who are at fault. Maybe that's even true in this case, who knows? All we know for sure is we lost the player and we still have the exec running the team.
And WITH DeRo, our supposed leader and saviour, he blew the CCL and completely shit the bed in Vancouver. We had our asses saved only by the Impact's decision to play a bunch or beer-leaguers in the deciding game. Didn't he also shit the bed in our 5-0 loss at NYRB where we could have made the playoffs? If every success falls on DeRo's shoulders, shouldn't he take the entire blame for the failures too? I suppose that's someone else's fault right?
As someone said a few posts ago, you can't argue with the raw data. More appropriately, you can spin s**t any way you want to.
Hey, can someone pull the "raw data" and compare the Kenny Cooper era at NYRB to Dero's? Kenny should be fake-cheque-signing any minute.
I think he lost most of his support with the cheque-signing fiasco. If that hadn't happened, he would have been a lot more difficult to get rid of
Like the one he was offered and signed that he wanted to rip up a year later? That same one that he played for in NY, then DC?n yeah, shame we didn't offer him the same contract he played for with both teams last year. Pitty really.
You know I have both the endurance and content to go at this with you for another 100 pages Pook. The question is do you want to start it up again? You keep bringing up half-true points and I keep refuting them with complete facts. Say the word and I will crack my knuckles, put on a pot and go to town. What's the word?
Im not spinning anything, its just wins, loses and ties! Its basic numbers, nothing to spin. I was just interested this afternoon to see how we were doing since DeRo left, it had been 37 regular games ago.
Yes, we were shit back then, but at least winning 32.4% of games. But now, we are EXTREME shit, winning 13.5% of games!
Yes, DeRo never brought us to the playoffs, but at least you were happy 32.4% of the time in his last 37 games at TFC.
Yes, we made it to the semi of Champions League without him. It was a great run. But we are still 0-5 this regular season.
Yes, the signing of the check was stupid, but definetly did not warrant suck hatred by some fans. Seeing Mista and JDG raking big $$ would make anyone go mad.
Oh, I see a connection. Not sure why it has to be one or the other in this debate. Stores sell more than one douchebag.
MLSE as an owner has blame in it. DeRo's history of douchebaggery and demands got him out of Houston, out of Toronto and out of New York. He is a player to sell tickets around. Not one to build a team around.
I would be quite happy if the net result of DeRo's trade demands were that DeRo gets shipped out AND Anselmi steps down. So far, 1 for 2.
Actually, I would be quite happy if MLS, the actual owner, opts to remove the owner operator privilege from MLSE and find a new owner-operator but I digress.
Yeah, I think you're right, that was the moment, he gave all the power to the suits. Well, most athletes are pretty emotional and most suits are pretty calculating so the suits usually win.
The trade request was made, because the promises he was made by the manager were not delivered. For some reason, TFC managment seemed to think that by firing the manager, that they were not bound by his verbal promises.
I miss him because he was about the only quality, consistent player we've ever seen. All we've had otherwise are washed up or approaching retirement Europeans like Dichio, Robert, Mista, Frings, and Koevermans, who may have a few good games left in them, but not many. And DeGuzman ... and I can't fathom for a minute why we're willing to pay DeGuzman a million$+ but we couldn't throw another $100,000 at Derosario? Do you really think DeGuzman is worth 4-times Derosario?
So far, 1 for 2, ha ha, I like it. Too bad we can't trade execs, Anselmi for a third round Superdraft pick....
I'd settle for a new bag of balls and orange pylons.
I'm assuming he's not making more than a crisp $1 million at DC United, which begs the question:
If we got rid of Julian de Guzman right now, and offered De Rosario the $2 million a year, would he come back?
Even I think that door has, regrettably, closed and should be left closed. I don't understand however, why Cochrane, who screwed this up so badly, wasn't fired at the beginning of last season. Even ignoring this, he was there when Johnson was screwing people over - he must have known what was going on.
'this topic has been done to death, and there's nothing new to add to the discussion'
if something newsworthy comes up, then let's visit the dero discussion in an appropriate thread.
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