Dunfield And Guzman

[Doucet3]

Been lots of criticism on the two lads lately just wanted a POV from the supporters on em

Dunfield: personally like yohan said in another post I think for who he is and what he gets paid he's a great depth player

De Guzman: I'm in no way on the witch hunt bandwagon, but I feel a little ripped of by JDG he has DP status and money and plays average, he will have a good defensive game then turn around and pull the shit like he did versus CLB and just get caught out

Whats your thoughts on them?, curious cause I've seen such a flux lately in opinions

[Detroit_TFC]

Dunfield has too much on his back right now. He is being asked to do more than he should given his abilities. My opinions on JDG are unchanged, he needs to go play somewhere other than MLS.

[denime]

Both should be benched,none of them is up to MLS level of play right now for one reason or another.
After first 7-8 games played this should not be a difficult decision for Winter.

[ManUtd4ever]

I agree that both of them should be benched next game if for no other reason than to serve as a wake up call. These two players should be leaders in the clubhouse and on the pitch based on their collective pedigree and experience with CMNT, and their recent level of play is simply unacceptable.

[Davenport]

Can you not see for yourself that Dunfield is way out of his depth and shouldn't be paid to play at any level and De Guzman is the biggest waste of money in the history of the game ?

[Oldtimer]

De Guzman is the biggest waste of money in the history of the game

Denilson would be the worst.
Mista would be second.
JDG is horribly inconsistent, yet he occasionally has an excellent game (like the one against LA). That's part of what is so frustrating about him.

[iy12l]

http://www.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter...tor/highlights

At 0.48 you will see Dunfield lose the ball. Look what dunfield does when he loses it...he just stands there and JDG tries to get the ball back but then he gives up and jogs. Why is Morgan so high up? Hes not a left winger for gods sake! Next game i dont want to see those two fuckers in the starting 11!

[tfctfctfc]

I didn't think de Guzman was every good with TFC. He's had a lot of ups and downs but for the most part I think he called it quits when he came to Toronto. He had a chance to stay in Europe and chose to come here, I think that was him saying to himself he's had enough. He should have stayed in Europe, his heart isn't in it here in Toronto I don't think

[denime]

I didn't think de Guzman was every good with TFC. He's had a lot of ups and downs but for the most part I think he called it quits when he came to Toronto. He had a chance to stay in Europe and chose to come here, I think that was him saying to himself he's had enough. He should have stayed in Europe, his heart isn't in it here in Toronto I don't think

Would you stay in Europe form maximum 400K per year or come here for 1'9 Mil? I can't blame him,I would do same as he did,come here for retirement $$$.

[whyalwaysme11]

again i would give both of these guys up for nick labrocca any day of the week.

[tfctfctfc]

Would you stay in Europe form maximum 400K per year or come here for 1'9 Mil? I can't blame him,I would do same as he did,come here for retirement $$$.

Yes it was more money here and that's great for him, but the attention he would have gotten there and the level of competition are both much higher in Europe. He took the money (as most would) but in doing so he came to a lesser team in a lesser league, essentially mailing it in. He knew he'd be getting paid more to play here against weaker competition and he jumped at the opportunity. That was a bad move by TFC and it was the beginning of the end for de Guzman IMO

[TFCREDNWHITE]

DeGuzmans' style of play and skill set works beautifully alongside Frings! This team in the midfield is smoking when both DeGuzman and Frings are in the lineup!

Thats the truth, like it or not! DeGuzmans box play and distribution increases ten fold with Frings alongside him. Now, yes, that is a testament to Frings, but still...thats just how DeGuzmans full potential comes into realization. Dunfield CANNOT do the same when alongside Frings....

[Oldtimer]

DeGuzmans' style of play and skill set works beautifully alongside Frings! This team in the midfield is smoking when both DeGuzman and Frings are in the lineup!

Thats the truth, like it or not! DeGuzmans box play and distribution increases ten fold with Frings alongside him. Now, yes, that is a testament to Frings, but still...thats just how DeGuzmans full potential comes into realization. Dunfield CANNOT do the same when alongside Frings....

... and that might be part of the explanation for JDG's inconsistency. We've noticed that he tends to play according to the players he has around him. With Frings he tends to play well, with Dunfield, not so much. A real leader would raise the level of the players around him. Frings majorly does that. Koevs does that too. Not JDG. JDG has been a bust as a DP. Would he be useful at $200k? Only if he has good players around him.

[Juanito]

I'll echo most people's sentiments here:

Dunfield may stay as long as there is no one better. He's a decent depth player. Nothing more.

De Guzmán has to go. He was arguably brought in to be a leader, basically what Frings is now. The fact that we are wasting salary cap room on this bum is insulting. I would rather bring in two younger players at the same salary cap hit that have a chance to improve. Julian is not improving and will not improve.

[Ajax TFC]

I think we made a mistake by letting go of Sturgis and keeping Dunfield

[starter]

Dunfield is not on the bench since we do not have a better 2nd DM for our formation. I believe JDG compensation is discouraging competition for a DM spot, and frankly Dunfield and Co. expect JDG to be a leader and take responcibility on the pitch. Which creates an issue, since JDG just coasting here, and the rest do not feel compelled ( and compensated ) to lead.

[Oblio2]

JDG is an epic waste of space. Cant pass, cant tackle, dant defend, cant run, cant cover, cant score, cant lead, cant do anything except collect $2m plus in DP money that is wasted on talentless, heartless, gutless, Sunday league player.

[Stouffville_RPB]

Both should be benched,none of them is up to MLS level of play right now for one reason or another.After the first 7-8 games played this should not be a difficult decision for Winter.

I agree D except for the last part. The difficult decision would be when he looks at the bench and sees the replacements. As poorly as they have been playing what two on the bench would you put in a DM position over them.

I think that was him saying to himself he's had enough[/B].

He took the money (as most would) but in doing so he came to a lesser team in a lesser league, essentially mailing it in. He knew he'd be getting paid more to play here against weaker competition and he jumped at the opportunity.

And now the so called weaker competition is making him look awful.


JDG should be performing at a much higher level than he is. As a DP he should be carrying this team in Frings' absence. Not only is he failing in that sense he has gone the opposite direction and actually cost the team goals, points and wins. At BMO against Columbus we conceded after a very poor pass by him that allowed Columbus to attack on the counter. His boneheaded tackle in the box in Mexico kicked off the onslaught by Santos. JDG simply is not (and never has) played up to what a DP should. To make matters worse it is his contract that is now hand-cuffing management on personnel decisions. Somewhere MoJo is laughing because he knew this would happen all along.


Fact is Dunfield for what he should be on the team (bench/depth player) is not a bad player. Someone to come off the bench when you need fresh legs. However, squad player or not he is not having a good spell of form right now.

[trane]

For me JDG is frustrating, because he has shown that he can be so much better. He has the talent to settle and lead the team like Frings does. Instead not only does he fail to bring the level of play up, but he brings it down with silly mistakes, it may be frustration but it cannot be excused.

[DoubleUp]

Jdg= to expensive.

What do people think of aceval playing further up in the midfield Ldm?

[DR HOLLIDAY]

Jdg= to expensive.

This is what it comes down to, paying way to much for a player that often looks like he would rather be doing something else.

[Dbl_D]

EPIC FAIL on both accounts, dunfield keep on bench just incase.... but... de duz should be punted, paid off and part ways to open a dp slot... its not like we (mlse) have paid large sums to people not to play... (alonzo mourning..).... he has been a let down since it was suggested on the (this) board to get him and he turned down our original offer... since then down hill from there...

[felipe]

My take is - Dunfield has outperformed De Guzman. I'm not saying Dunfield is fantastic, but he's been better than JDG. I'm not saying he should be - but I think he has been.

Dunfield is a perfectly average MLS player.

JDG has been awful most games - even ignoring that contract. That contract has to be the only reason he sees the field.

And to think we essentially gave up Cronin and DeRo for him. (DeRo because he had to leave, justifiably he felt underpaid relative to what he brought to the team compared to JDG)

It sure would be nice to still have Robbo or Cronin back there in a holding position - and DeRo up as a attacking mid.

Sigh.

[ouderwien]

I guess I'm probably not saying anything new, but Dunfield out performs De Guzman because of the salary. Dunfield is out there as a depth position because Frings is injured. De Guzman should be playing better. The easiest way to rate the expectations of the players is by their salary and a difference of 1.84million between the two players is not shown on the pitch.

However, Dunfield cannot progress the ball forward and always seems to be diving in for balls. Cannot stay on his feet, always out of position.
De Guzman can distribute the ball very effectively and has a great shot, but looks lazy and doesn't seem to care.

When Frings is back, Dunfield will be on the bench and De Guzman will become more effective.

If only the CB's held any confidence, otherwise Frings will be right back to sweeper.

[iy12l]

My take is - Dunfield has outperformed De Guzman. I'm not saying Dunfield is fantastic, but he's been better than JDG. I'm not saying he should be - but I think he has been.

Dunfield is a perfectly average MLS player.

JDG has been awful most games - even ignoring that contract. That contract has to be the only reason he sees the field.

And to think we essentially gave up Cronin and DeRo for him. (DeRo because he had to leave, justifiably he felt underpaid relative to what he brought to the team compared to JDG)

It sure would be nice to still have Robbo or Cronin back there in a holding position - and DeRo up as a attacking mid.

Sigh.

I dont want to see dunfield in the line-up ever again. Its his slow thinking and predicable passes that always starts a counter attack for the other team. Ill give JDG one more chance and of he screws up we should bench him too.

[Huyton]

JDG is an epic waste of space. Cant pass, cant tackle, dant defend, cant run, cant cover, cant score, cant lead, cant do anything except collect $2m plus in DP money that is wasted on talentless, heartless, gutless, Sunday league player.

Don't sugar coat it, don't hold back...tell us how you really feel!!

[brad]

Dunfield has too much on his back right now. He is being asked to do more than he should given his abilities. My opinions on JDG are unchanged, he needs to go play somewhere other than MLS.

In my opinion - the bolded bit sums up the major problem with the team right now (not just Dunfield, but many players).

I agree that Dunfield is a good depth player. I think some people expect far to much from MLS depth players. The problem isn't with Dunfield, it's with the fact that he is starting as opposed to being a depth player.

JDG - really doesn't seem to care IMHO, and it never appears that he has. He came her for the money, no more, no less and he plays like it. I've also thought for a long time that he is the wrong style of player for this league.

Ideally, Dunfield back to the bench as a depth player, and JDG to the reserves to never play for us again. Problem is - who do we play instead that would improve the team?

Honestly, what I would like to see (when Cann and Frings are back)is something like:

Kocic
Ecks--Cann--Aceval/Henry--Morgan
Stinson -- Frings
Silva
Soolsma Koevs Johnson

Cann/Aceval pairing is slow, and might not be that good - but I think it's the best given the personal that we have. That slot needs to be improved. Cann is also better than other options, but still not the answer IMHO.
Stinson and Frings shield the back. There are valid concerns about Frings in the middle due to his age, but you limit his play to the zone in front of our goal, keep him in our half and he will be fine (many older players have had their careers extended in the midfield with altered rolls like this).

[brad]

DeGuzmans' style of play and skill set works beautifully alongside Frings! This team in the midfield is smoking when both DeGuzman and Frings are in the lineup!

Thats the truth, like it or not! DeGuzmans box play and distribution increases ten fold with Frings alongside him. Now, yes, that is a testament to Frings, but still...thats just how DeGuzmans full potential comes into realization. Dunfield CANNOT do the same when alongside Frings....

Frings is probably kicking him in the backside and yelling at him all game....

[Juanito]

[Oldtimer]

I suspect that JDG has now played himself off the team. In the past, I think that Winter might have been inclined to offer him a high non-DP contract at season's end. With his failure to step up in Fring's absence, I think that this season will be his last in MLS.

Too bad, because he is capable of much more, but the team's cap-space would be much better utilized bolstering the defense. A DP defender, anyone?

Dunfield may still be around next year, IMO, it depends on who they are able to pick up.