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    Default CCL: Santos Laguna @ Toronto FC First Leg Pre-Match/Match Thread

    I'm so happy I get to make this thread!

    So, what do you guys think? What are our chances? They pummelled Seattle into dust in their second match, but Seattle won the first one.

    Another chance at an upset?

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    I am not feeling as positive about this one as I was the LA game.

    Can we beat them? Can any MLS team?

    Watching the Sounders game highlights made me sweat.

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    I think that in the present form we can upset them. Hopefully we can another CB or our weak link ( I will not name him but his last name starts with H and the first digit of his shirt is 2) at the back will be exposed.


    BUT we need to switch the 4-3-3 into a 4-2-3-1 Mou Inter style, with the wingers playing deep. Soolsma can do it, Johnson I think can do it, Plata???? I am not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    I am not feeling as positive about this one as I was the LA game.

    Can we beat them? Can any MLS team?

    Watching the Sounders game highlights made me sweat.
    Yeah, it was pretty ugly. And their record at home is unnerving.

    It may end here, but goddamn it, I want to believe! haha

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    Just hoping for a positive result at home just like when TFC managed a draw against Pumas last year.

    But anything goes in Torreon.

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    I am really looking forward to this, playing a truly good team by any standard in an important game.


    WE WILL NEED TO DEFEND. Score at home, and defend, defend, defend away. GRIND A VICTORY OUT.

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    I don't know if we're good enough in the back. I don't think we did enough in the off-season to address the defence situation, even though I will admit the team did try.

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    defend is something that is not in our vocabulary nor playing anything else but 343

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    ^ That is the issue. We cannot play an open game Santos will kill us.

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    I truly think that Winter will be forced to change the play, but it goes against the very principle of *(sick of using you know what formation). This is were it will prove if Winter is the right man for the job

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    Not holding my breath...but, Cruz Azul did knock them out last year, and we beat Cruz Azul on aggregate in the group stage. Not the same circumstances, but, its something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rat View Post
    I truly think that Winter will be forced to change the play, but it goes against the very principle of 433. This is were it will prove if Winter is the right man for the job
    I don't know if there's THAT much riding on the line in a game against a team like Santos.

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    something else to think about this guys are mid season, we are just starting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rat View Post
    I truly think that Winter will be forced to change the play, but it goes against the very principle of *(sick of using you know what formation). This is were it will prove if Winter is the right man for the job
    Agreed that this will be one of those matches were Winter will have to step up as the tactician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    I don't know if there's THAT much riding on the line in a game against a team like Santos.

    - Scott
    that is not what I meant but it is a sign

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    I just hope TFC doesn't pull a Seattle or a L'Imp act against Santos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    I am not feeling as positive about this one as I was the LA game.

    Can we beat them? Can any MLS team?

    Watching the Sounders game highlights made me sweat.
    if we could only get a draw away, people will go nuts over here

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    Agreed 3-4-3 won't work against them not to mention as soon as we play the away leg we will have the good ole fashioned anti-ref. Seattle had some brutal calls against them last night and we've seen how bad it can be playing there. Points at home and draw 0-0 away is key.

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    Our Winter will make them discontent.

    Seattle managed to get a result at home.

    Winter said in an interview last night that they knew all about Santos (they'll have had scouts at the games).

    I see no reason why we cannot also get a result in Toronto, too, and then park the bus in the second game. The high line we played last night will be suicide against Santos, but TFC seems to be able to adapt to play their opposition now.

    The next step in TFC's evolution is to make their opponents play the way TFC wants them...to make the other team have to respond to what TFC is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoop View Post
    I just hope TFC doesn't pull a Seattle or a L'Imp act against Santos.
    not unless money is involved,
    I didn't say that did I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewski View Post
    Not holding my breath...but, Cruz Azul did knock them out last year, and we beat Cruz Azul on aggregate in the group stage. Not the same circumstances, but, its something.
    I beleive we are 1W-2D-1L against Mexican opposition. Not optimistic about this one, but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    I don't know if there's THAT much riding on the line in a game against a team like Santos.

    - Scott

    He may not get a bigger game. Santos or Barca, this is not an exhibition game, and we have the players we have and winter has to go out and try to get a result. Sure it will be tough, but he has to make it competitive. We have to be in it.

    APOEL is in the final 8 in Europe. It does not have nearly the talent that the any of the other 7 have, but the right tactics and team play can take you far in any team sport, particularly football.

    We are in the finals, I expect BUTTER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    I think that in the present form we can upset them. Hopefully we can another CB or our weak link ( I will not name him but his last name starts with H and the first digit of his shirt is 2) at the back will be exposed.
    i agree, as long as one of our CBs get's his shit together (i won't name him either, but i'll give you a hint: it's TY HARDEN), we'll be fine. seriously, that man is a fucking liability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    We are in the finals, I expect BUTTER.
    Alright! You've convinced me! Haha.

    Man, how apeshit will we all go if we were to seriously make the CCL Final?

    - Scott
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    maybe the new defender will be fit to play and we will have a proper 4 and De Guzman with Frings in front of them

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    If you watched the Seattle game last night you can see the players ran out of gas. I think it has to do with altitude. Santos Laguna play at 3,674 ft above sea level. In comparison Denver is at 5,280 feet while Seattle is at its highest point 520 feet and Toronto is at 249 feet.

    I pulled this off the web

    "As mentioned, high altitude is accompanied by a decrease in the partial pressure of oxygen which, turn, leads to a reduction in the driving pressure for oxygen transport and a corresponding fall in VO2max. The magnitude of this decline is around 5-7% per 1,000m(4). An increase in altitude of as little as 600m has been shown to decrease the performance of cyclists in five-minute cycle power test by 5.9%(5)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    Alright! You've convinced me! Haha.

    Man, how apeshit will we all go if we were to seriously make the CCL Final?

    - Scott
    Apeshit haha
    Alexander Keith's will be our new sponsor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    Alright! You've convinced me! Haha.

    Man, how apeshit will we all go if we were to seriously make the CCL Final?

    - Scott
    That would be fucking great. I would cry.


    [ I meant semi-finals I got ahead of myself]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rat View Post
    maybe the new defender will be fit to play and we will have a proper 4 and De Guzman with Frings in front of them
    That is my hope, that defensive box to be solid. De Guzman and Frings are as good a pair of DMs in CONCACAF, if we can put two solid CBs behind them, and our fullbacks, have been playing great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KGH View Post
    If you watched the Seattle game last night you can see the players ran out of gas. I think it has to do with altitude. Santos Laguna play at 3,674 ft above sea level. In comparison Denver is at 5,280 feet while Seattle is at its highest point 520 feet and Toronto is at 249 feet.

    I pulled this off the web

    "As mentioned, high altitude is accompanied by a decrease in the partial pressure of oxygen which, turn, leads to a reduction in the driving pressure for oxygen transport and a corresponding fall in VO2max. The magnitude of this decline is around 5-7% per 1,000m(4). An increase in altitude of as little as 600m has been shown to decrease the performance of cyclists in five-minute cycle power test by 5.9%(5)."
    no problem at all
    we will take Plata's blood and infuse it to the other players. Easy done

 

 

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