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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Is it really? The recklessness of the players in MLS is going to negate the skill of someone who's somehow going to excel in one of the best leagues in the world?

    If you can deal with the level of play over there and the superior athletic ability, a few rash challenges in MLS is not going to stop you from being effective.
    A FEW,You got the be kidding,bring here educated ref from SA or UEFA and MLS teams will be finishing games with 7-8 players.

    A skilled,physical defender in Europe or SA does not charge recklessly like in MLS.There are so many players indicating that MLS is not physical league as many people think, it's simply reckless and that's why is very difficult for skilled player to play here,when you add the TFC roster at the time and his injury,yeah he could not delivered for us as we wished at the time.

    Even MLS recognized that and it is pushing refs to pay attention on reckless plays.

    Kasey Keller on MLS, EPL and USMNT

    First off, I don't think you can compare the physicality of MLS to EPL. The Premier League is more physical. I think what happens in MLS is that the play is more reckless at times. So what you're seeing is a mis-timed challenge as opposed to just being physical.
    http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/blo...mes/id/7376984



    Major League Soccer needs to promote consistency in officiating, not “toughening up”

    Rodrguez’s and the league’s intentions on this are good, they shouldn’t have to “toughen up” on poor tackling. While the recommendation involves a secondary disciplinary committee, this sends the message to MLS refs they must be even more strict when it comes to reckless fouls. That means more phantom yellows, more invisible penalties, and perhaps more diving.
    That said, most followers of MLS know there is a problem with dangerous tackles, and many fans would welcome stringent intervention from referees. Yet reckless fouls aren’t necessarily the result of the fact players believe they can “get away with it.” Well-timed tackles are an elite skill, one of the hardest for any defender to master. As Major League Soccer improves, so will the level of physical play.
    Great love does not exist without joy and without great suffering ,that's why One club is worth only as much as its fans !


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    Manchester United did bring in Bébé. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by QSIM View Post


    HAHA.

    Had all the skill in the world but looked disinterested in his time here.


    To be honest i think he was one of the best players we had last year.
    but he was disinterested and he will be a really good player.

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    I hope Man U signs him. I'm sick of it being my team that always signs a player that ends up being a bust.

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    Is this a liverpool troll job?

    They obviously weren't watching him while he played here.

    Maybe Barcelona can take Ty Harden off of our hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninb View Post
    People seem to have VERY BAD memories...he was a fairly talented kid who NEVER backtracked/defended and wouldn't pass the ball...I remember one particular game where he and Santos went in on several 2 on 1's, and he tried to beat his man BOTH times leaving a wide open Santos furious in front of the net and the coaches raging at him from the sidelines...He just wasn't a complete player...
    So again, I guess you know better than Torino and the clubs that are looking to sign him, according to this story. But whatever, no point arguing and time will tell where Stevanovic ends up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas View Post
    Danger, I was only assessing Stevanovic based on his performance at our club, period. I wasn't assessing his skill levels. I don't buy into the theory that one of the reasons he failed to perform was because he was so much better than everyone else. He should have been able to make some adjustments. I do think that he very strong technically, I just don't think his head was in the TFC assignment.
    I agree with you totally, and like I said, it's a sign of immaturity. I think he still has time, he's 21 years old. If he has the right support around him and if Man U or another EPL big name picks him up for its reserve squad, he could have a very bright future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoop View Post
    I didn't think he was a striker.
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
    Is this a liverpool troll job?

    They obviously weren't watching him while he played here.

    Maybe Barcelona can take Ty Harden off of our hands.
    Are you comparing Stevanovic to Harden in terms of skill? Yikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerRed View Post
    Are you comparing Stevanovic to Harden in terms of skill? Yikes.
    In terms of relevance. How many step-overs did it take for you to decide that he was skilled?
    Last edited by Gazza; 02-29-2012 at 11:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
    In terms of relevance. How many step-overs did it take for you to decide that he was skilled?
    Three. Stepovers are the only measure by which I evaluate a player. Nothing else is relevant (except opinions like yours, of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFCwestcan View Post
    Yes in typical black cloud TFC fashion he sucked for us yet excels upon his return to the Serie A. I bet his time here scared the shit out of him and he got his act together.
    Torino is in Serie B, they came up but they are back down. I am pretty sure he has not played in Serie A upon his return.


    I thought he was skilled, but did not give two shits.

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    united linked with this lazy twat and City linked with Cavani..... how times change!

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    is it april 1st!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    Torino is in Serie B, they came up but they are back down. I am pretty sure he has not played in Serie A upon his return.


    I thought he was skilled, but did not give two shits.

    Agreed. Every young player with delusions of grandeur needs to be beaten with the ugly stick.

    We were the ugly stick.

    Looks like the beating worked, and I hope we will see a former TFC player suiting up for Man U. Unless, Juve swoops in and buys him. I'm ok with that too.

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    I don't think he has top 4 team in a top 4 league type of talent. But he's certainly got enough talent to start on a mid-table team in the EPL, Serie A, La Liga and the Bundesliga within the next few years. He's probably more suited for a league like the EPL than any of the other top 4 though.

    I think Torino would admit they made a mistake by sending him over here, MLS is still a very raw league technically and in terms of defending/tackling. Not the best environment for a skilled kid who probably feels he's above it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninb View Post
    People seem to have VERY BAD memories...he was a fairly talented kid who NEVER backtracked/defended and wouldn't pass the ball...I remember one particular game where he and Santos went in on several 2 on 1's, and he tried to beat his man BOTH times leaving a wide open Santos furious in front of the net and the coaches raging at him from the sidelines...He just wasn't a complete player...
    You sure youre not mixing that up?



    I would be on the first plane back to Italy if I was part of that shit.

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    He wasn't bad, clearly he had some skill, but I don't subscribe to the theory he was too good for the league / team – that he needed a better class of player around him to show his pedigree. I feel if you're shiz, it's going to come through not matter what level you're playing at.

    It would be neat for a player who wore the TFC strip to land at a big club, it would nice if wasn't a loan player, but hey, baby steps and all that.

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    ^^Mo Edu already did...

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    He said a BIG club.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    ^^Mo Edu already did...
    That's fair. Rangers is a big club, but there's no arguing that Man United isn't at a different level.

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    ^ That's a somewhat confusing double negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevy View Post
    He said a BIG club.

    buahahaha... well played

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    Quote Originally Posted by QSIM View Post
    You sure youre not mixing that up?



    I would be on the first plane back to Italy if I was part of that shit.
    Thanks for posting, couldn't agree more.

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    you'd think manchester united had learned after signing Bebe

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    Comments in this thread are curious.

    A player, sent on a development stint, or wake up call depending on your perspective returns to his former team and his play has theoretically improved?

    Wasn't that the goal? Whether he learned some things here or looked in the mirror and said, WTF, I better pick up my game if I don't want to end up back here full time... mission accomplished.

    I think some folks forget this is a developmental league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Comments in this thread are curious.
    Sorry, but for me, what's curious is to disbelieve what you see with your own eyes, and believe what you read in the Daily Mail.

    Who knows? To each his own.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Fair point. Curiosity is abound.

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    All of the comments about his head not being there are spot on. He lacked maturity bottom line (he was only 20 as others have mentioned).

    So physically and technically he was better than most, not just on TFC, but in the entire league. But all of that ability goes for not, if his head isn't straight.

    Now a year removed, perhaps his brain is closing the gap with his body?

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    The article I posted further up this page says that he is struggle to make an impact in Serie B.

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    ^ Not terribly surprising IMO.

    I'd also point out there's a difference between simply having technical skill and knowing when to use it. One makes you Denilson, the other makes you Ronaldinho.

 

 

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