Carver Makes Another Mistake

[James17930]

Notice how he subbed in Harmse for Velez when Velez cramped up. Well, it looks like what happened was Edu went back to play CB (unless I saw it incorrectly, then I apologize). Edu then gets burned for the goal.

Why would Carver not either:

A) Bring on a central defender for Velez (was Hemming not on the bench?)
B) Have James move into the centre and throw Edu out on the left
C) Something other then put Edu into a position he's never played

And before everyone gets all pissy, just think about what I'm saying and try to respond intelligently instead of . . . getting all pissy.

I like Carver -- he's a great coach. But if he makes a mistake we should be able to talk about it without everyone getting their panties in a knot.

[olegunnar]

FYI
Edu plays in the back for the USMNT

[rocker]

i'm not gonna pile on and say he made "another mistake".... but I do agree that it was strange to put Edu in that position. I know he's played occasionally as a defender, but the key word is "occasionally". In most of his pro career he has NOT played defence. Even for the national team, he has played midfield way more than he's played defence.
they should have simply replaced Velez with another defender. not sure who was on the bench tho.

[Niall]

I was looking for a subs list...does anyone know who was on the bench

[SLBuu]

Edu has played CB for the US under 21 if im not mistaken. So he has had experience in the position. So carver did make a good decision if that is in fact the case.

[Kickit09]

true, ESPECIALLY when there's only 3 at the back!

[H Bomb]

point 1: Hemming has less experience at CB and in competition that Mo Edu

Point 2: they were playing a three defender system with wingbacks. There wasn't a "Left back" as much as there were three CB's. I'm not argueing to move James more central but he was a left back at that point

Point 3: Mo's played that position a lot internationally.

It was Mo's mistake not JC's. You can't blame a coach for a horrendous individual error. We need to blame our players for their mistakes more.

[ExiledRed]

James man, what IS it with you?

You keep making threads about stuff which you dont grasp very well.

seriously.

[Rawkus_420]

is tebily still hurt?? he must be cause honestly i think the guy should be starting. When harmse got subbed in the announcer was saying " harmse can play D ", so i was assuming thats what he would be doing.

[James17930]

James man, what IS it with you?

You keep making threads about stuff which you dont grasp very well.

seriously.

Why don't I grasp it well?

[Niall]

Hindsight is 20-20...

That mistake was brutal, can't gloss over it.

But it is not the manager's fault his player can't handle a simple a play.

Shit happens...

[rocker]

Point 3: Mo's played that position a lot internationally.

This is false. No way has he played this position "a lot" internationally.
Fact: He's rarely been a defender internationally.

With the US men's team, against:

Argentina -- midfield sub for Bradley
Spain -- midfield
England -- midfeld
Mexico -- midfield
Sweden -- midfield

In the U-23 trip to China he was tried at defender, but not for the whole time he was there.
He's rarely played as a defender.

Actually, I would have had Robinson in that position as Robinson is a better defender than Edu.

[FluSH]

Listen... I have to blame the TURF!!!

Our players are not used to playing on the REAL THING... GRASS, and as a result they were handicap in that game... =P

Ok in all seriousness... it was an unlucky bounce for Edu... maybe he could have played the body for better positioning... I think he was just caught off guard, but he still had a chance clearing the ball the way he did with a header.

[James17930]

is tebily still hurt?? he must be cause honestly i think the guy should be starting. When harmse got subbed in the announcer was saying " harmse can play D ", so i was assuming thats what he would be doing.

Yes, Tebily is hurt. He has a badly sprained ankle.

[Pachuco]

Why don't I grasp it well?

because your entire basis is that Edu doesn't play central defence. He played it in college and he plays it for USMNT. He can play that position. It was his fault he screwed up.

[dannyd]

james, you have a good point here. I couldn't beleive it when I saw Edu had moved to CB. I don't think Carver had any options off the bench though. But definately, Marshall or James should have been playing behind Edu if Carver is forced to put Edu in that position. I don't care if he has experience playing D for the national team, you can tell he's not a defender. To not put yourself between the ball and the attacker in that situation was a high-school mistake...

[James17930]

because your entire basis is that Edu doesn't play central defence. He played it in college and he plays it for USMNT. He can play that position. It was his fault he screwed up.

This is false. No way has he played this position "a lot" internationally.
Fact: He's rarely been a defender internationally.

With the US men's team, against:

Argentina -- midfield sub for Bradley
Spain -- midfield
England -- midfeld
Mexico -- midfield
Sweden -- midfield

In the U-23 trip to China he was tried at defender, but not for the whole time he was there.
He's rarely played as a defender.

....

[Heathen]

James man, what IS it with you?

You keep making threads about stuff which you dont grasp very well.

seriously.

That hasn't held back Vic Rauter or Gerry Dobson

[rocker]

because your entire basis is that Edu doesn't play central defence. He played it in college and he plays it for USMNT. He can play that position. It was his fault he screwed up.

where are you getting your facts?

Mo Edu was not a defender in college and has primarily been a midfielder in MLS, and on the men's national team too.

From the Terps website:

Junior midfielder Maurice Edu, one of the most gifted players in Maryland soccer history, has announced he will forgo his final year of collegiate eligibility to pursue a professional soccer career.

Considered the college game's premier defensive midfielder, Edu also was dangerous and effective in attack, totaling 10 goals and 11 assists during his career.

Simply put, Mo Edu has hardly played defense in his career, and to put a second year player in defense is a bad decision.

I'm not gonna rake Carver over the coals on this, but it's just not a good decision. I like Carver but putting a guy who's not a very experienced player into a position he's almost never played is kinda dumb.
Put players into positions in which they will suceed.

[nimamalek]

Notice how he subbed in Harmse for Velez when Velez cramped up. Well, it looks like what happened was Edu went back to play CB (unless I saw it incorrectly, then I apologize). Edu then gets burned for the goal.

Why would Carver not either:

A) Bring on a central defender for Velez (was Hemming not on the bench?)
B) Have James move into the centre and throw Edu out on the left
C) Something other then put Edu into a position he's never played

And before everyone gets all pissy, just think about what I'm saying and try to respond intelligently instead of . . . getting all pissy.

I like Carver -- he's a great coach. But if he makes a mistake we should be able to talk about it without everyone getting their panties in a knot.

1. Hemming is not a central defender
2. possible but unlike point 3 Edu has never played LB
3. Edu plays CB for the US and has played at that position before

so take your own advice and before posting and getting everyone pissing with your shit comments think about thinkgs intelligently

[H Bomb]

This is false. No way has he played this position "a lot" internationally.
Fact: He's rarely been a defender internationally.

With the US men's team, against:

Argentina -- midfield sub for Bradley
Spain -- midfield
England -- midfeld
Mexico -- midfield
Sweden -- midfield

In the U-23 trip to China he was tried at defender, but not for the whole time he was there.
He's rarely played as a defender.

He played CB for the Olympic qualifiers and will again in Beijing. We'll talk more then

[nimamalek]

point 1: Hemming has less experience at CB and in competition that Mo Edu

Point 2: they were playing a three defender system with wingbacks. There wasn't a "Left back" as much as there were three CB's. I'm not argueing to move James more central but he was a left back at that point

Point 3: Mo's played that position a lot internationally.

It was Mo's mistake not JC's. You can't blame a coach for a horrendous individual error. We need to blame our players for their mistakes more.

all great points, this post isnt as bad as his why does Greg Sutton come out of breaks but its still pretty bad

[James17930]

Hemming was drafted as a CB, was he not? But anyway, it makes more sense to bring in someone fresh to take over a position instead of moving someone into a position he hasn't been playing all game.

Yes, I realize it was Mo who messed up the header, but my point is he shouldn't have been put in that position to begin with.

[ExiledRed]

Edu has played the position.

Good footballers dont just learn one position and that's that. moving from defence to midfield and vice versa isnt like going from dentistry to veterinarian medicine, it's about moving twenty yards backward and adjusting the focus of your play. Moving out of position because of injuries during play is part of the job, and they are professionals.

If Edu has experience in the position, and he also knows what is expected of his teammate.,Velez. (Which he should) Then falling back for the last ten minutes should not have been a problem.

[rocker]

Hemming was drafted as a CB, was he not? But anyway, it makes more sense to bring in someone fresh to take over a position instead of moving someone into a position he hasn't been playing all game.

Yes, I realize it was Mo who messed up the header, but my point is he shouldn't have been put in that position to begin with.

yes, Hemming is a natural defender who has been, instead, used as a midfielder lately. At Hartwick College he won awards as a defender. Although last season he played some midfield and some defense in his 4 games with TFC.

http://www.soccer-atlantic.com/all-conference2005.html

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Dont think it was a poor sub so much as it was Edu not playing his position properly.
He clearly didnt step up.

[Heathen]

Hemming was drafted as a CB, was he not? But anyway, it makes more sense to bring in someone fresh to take over a position instead of moving someone into a position he hasn't been playing all game.

Yes, I realize it was Mo who messed up the header, but my point is he shouldn't have been put in that position to begin with.

any defensive midfielder worth his salt should be able to play CB, its not like you're asking Cunningham to play CB is it... although that would be something I'd like to see once, once we trade him that is

[Pachuco]

any defensive midfielder worth his salt should be able to play CB, its not like you're asking Cunningham to play CB is it... although that would be something I'd like to see once, once we trade him that is

that's what Rocker and James don't seem to get

[trane]

I do not give a shit were Edu played for the Yanks, Edu is no fucking Center Back, I love Carver, but fuck Edu at CB is the last thing I would do, put him out on the wing of he backline maybe. While he is a Defensive Mid, the skills and visision needed to play centerback are different.

[Pachuco]

for the record. I believe Carver screwed up, but I won't blast him for it. Just for a different reason then James thinks. Edu should've been subbed long before that, I don't care if he scored, he's terrible in the midfield. Harmse has been playing his position much better then he can. Cunningham played 90 minutes, that's sickening that Carver still likes this guy that much.