they technically didn't pay him...that was compensation due to ManU decided by tribunal for training him as burnley signed him when he was (and still is) u-24Originally Posted by Yohan
i guess best case scenario is that we just extend the loan for a 2nd year
Eric Avila - AM - 23 - USA - Keep
Danleigh Borman - LB/LW - 25 - South Africa - Release
Elbekay Bouchiba - DM - 32 - Holland - Keep (should give him a shot)
Adrian Cann - CB - 31 - Canada - Keep
Oscar Cordon - AM/CM - 18 - Canada - Keep
Kyle Davies - 22 - CB - USA - Keep
Julian de Guzman - 30 - DM/CM - Canada - Keep (renegotiate contract if at all possible, although JDG doesn't have much incentive to do so)
Terry Dunfield - DM - 29 - Canada - Keep (if his salary demands aren't over ~$125K-$150K)
Richard Eckersley - RB - 22 - England - Keep (depending on transfer fee)
Stefan Frei - GK - 25 - Switzerland - Keep
Torsten Frings - DM/SW - 34 - Germany - Keep
Matt Gold - DM - 23 - USA - Keep
Leandre Griffit - RW - 27 - France - Release (surplus)
Ty Harden - CB - 27 - USA - Keep (he's actually been pretty solid the last 4-6 weeks)
Doneil Henry - CB - 18 - Canada - Keep
Andy Iro - CB - 26 - England - Release (improving but he's too slow)
Ryan Johnson - CF/LW - 26 - Jamaica - Keep
Milos Kocic - GK - 26 - Serbia - Keep
Danny Koevermans - CF - 32 - Holland - Keep
Nicholas Lindsay - 19 - W - Canada - Keep
Keith Makabuya - 18 - CF - Canada - Keep
Peri Marosevic - 22 - CF/AM/RW - USA - Keep (I think he's a CF who's playing out of position much of the time; reasonably good cover for Koevermans)
Javier Martina - 24 - RW - Holland - Release (Soolsma is better option at RW)
Ashtone Morgan - 20 - LB - Canada - Keep
Demetrius Omphroy - 22 - RB - USA - Keep (looks good with reserves; coaching staff seems to be grooming him as a RW tho)
Joao Plata - 19 - LW/RW - Ecuador - Keep (depending on transfer fee)
Nick Soolsma - RW - 23 - Holland - Keep
Matt Stinson - CM - 19 - Canada - Keep
Nathan Sturgis - DM/RB/LB - 24 - USA - Release (surplus)
Eddie Viator - CB/RB - 29 - Guadeloupe - Release (too expensive)
Dicoy Williams - CB - 25 - Jamaica - Keep
Mikael Yourassowsky - LB/LW - 28 - Belgium - Release (useless)
Gianluca Zavarise - CM/AM - 25 - Canada - Release (surplus; Gold and Stinson are younger with better upside)
Need:
one or two starting CB
one backup LB (Morgan is doing well)
one backup RB (or starting RB if Ecks leaves)
one starting RW
one AM
Thanks for contributing nothing/zero/zilch to the conversation.
And generally being disrespectful to an RPB member or other member of this board for no apparent reason is not the way to go.
Plus I hear his salary was heavily front loaded the year before when VWFC were in the NASL. A loop hole they exploited to pay him more over two years but keep him for cheap in MLS.
Since RB with his calibre are hard to come by in this league I'd say it would be worth it if he would sign at least a 3 year deal in the $150,000 range maybe even $200,000.
800k is nothing for a transfer fee and well worth it but will it go towards the cap though? if so that would stink
depends on whether TFC has 800k in allocation money and willingness to spend it.
can also charge 800k against the salary cap (stupid move)
or use a DP spot for transfer fee (like how Robbie Keane signed for LA)
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Yeah I guess that would throw a wrench in it. I didn't realize transfer fees went against the cap.
I thought MLS paid for the transfer fees in part.
This should be addressed in the future if this is the case. Ie. transfer fees don't count against the cap.
It shouldn't really matter as long as the operating salary budgets are the same.
I mean if we sell a player for $5 million the league takes it cut be we don't get $2 million in salary cap allocation money do we? So why should it work the other way?
parity
like I noted in the other post, teams can pay transfer fees out of own pocket, as long as they are willing to use a DP spot
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Well it should work both ways then IMO.
We should have $5 million in allocation money for the sale of Edu, to pay off transfer fees for other players.
Do you see what I'm getting at here, if we sell prospects we should be able to use that money for allocation under the cap.
OR, transfer fees should not count in the budget at all. Pay any fee in any amount, but the players salary and ONLY the players salary counts against the cap.
This would open up more talent to the league.
Last edited by Alonso; 10-06-2011 at 11:45 PM.
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I just wanted to add my two cents to your list. Also, you have a fairly good lineup if you line up in a 4-3-3, but you're putting alot of faith in the fact that Eckersley and Plata will be returning next season.
I dont think the team should be purging Viator, Yourassowsky, Martina, or Borman if the loan contracts of those two "loanee" players are not sorted out first. Specifically along the flanks, I dont think the team should be relying solely on young left/right backs or left/right wingers, if the team will finish 3rd from last due to injuries, and lack of fitness. I would at least like to see the veterans on there until we know for sure that the youngsters are physically mature enough to handle a full season.
4-3-3:
--------------------------------Frei-------------------------------
-------------------------------Kocic------------------------------
Eckersley-----------Vacant--------------Cann---------------Vacant
*Omphroy----------Williams-------------Harden--------------Morgan
--------------------*Iro---------------*Davies---------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------*DeGuzman--------------Frings---------------------
--------------------Gold---------------*Dunfield--------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Plata---------------------------Avila-----------------------Johnson
Marosevic---------------------Stinson-----------------------Vacant
*Soolsma---------------------Zavarise----------------------Lindsay
-------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------Koevermans---------------------------
-------------------------------Vacant-----------------------------
Eric Avila - AM - 23 - USA - Keep
Danleigh Borman - LB/LW - 25 - South Africa - Release
Elbekay Bouchiba - DM - 32 - Holland - Release (Old, slow and way down in the depth chart. Better using his spot on a canuck)
Adrian Cann - CB - 31 - Canada - Keep
Oscar Cordon - AM/CM - 18 - Canada - Keep
Kyle Davies - 22 - CB - USA - Maybe (Hasn't made any appearances, would suggest he is expendable)
Julian de Guzman - 30 - DM/CM - Canada - Release (We have a DP on 2 of the 3 lines. Bring in a DP CB to organize the back line)
Terry Dunfield - DM - 29 - Canada - Keep (If DeGuzman goes, we would need a good midfielder)
Richard Eckersley - RB - 22 - England - Keep (All MLS loans have to have a buyout agreement. Hopefully the one for Ecks isn't an unreasonable figure)
Stefan Frei - GK - 25 - Switzerland - Keep
Torsten Frings - DM/SW - 34 - Germany - Keep
Matt Gold - DM - 23 - USA - Keep (at 42k and not taking an international spot, he is excellent depth to have)
Leandre Griffit - RW - 27 - France - Release (hasn't broken the squad since he got here, and using up an int'l spot)
Ty Harden - CB - 27 - USA - Maybe (65k is maybe a bit over value for Ty. If we come across cheaper depth, that will be as effective, toss him)
Doneil Henry - CB - 18 - Canada - Keep (Has potential, would like to see him stay with the club. Good depth)
Andy Iro - CB - 26 - England - Release (not worth the price)
Ryan Johnson - CF/LW - 26 - Jamaica - Keep
Milos Kocic - GK - 26 - Serbia - Keep (he will be a great MLS keeper some day, but I don't see the need in both Frei and Kocic. I say we deal Kocic, and pick up a Canadian GK)
Danny Koevermans - CF - 32 - Holland - Keep
Nicholas Lindsay - 19 - W - Canada - Keep
Keith Makabuya - 18 - CF - Canada - Keep (currently below league minimum. If his price goes up, he may not be worth keeping)
Peri Marosevic - 22 - CF/AM/RW - USA - Keep (Has had a decent strike rate since joining here. Domestic spot is a plus)
Javier Martina - 24 - RW - Holland - Release (Had a couple good games, and the others he was garbage.)
Ashtone Morgan - 20 - LB - Canada - Keep
Demetrius Omphroy - 22 - RB - USA - Keep (Cheap and can be groomed. Keep him)
Joao Plata - 19 - LW/RW - Ecuador - Keep (We need to find a way to keep this kid. Though, it would make sense as to why he went in the 4th/5th round)
Nick Soolsma - RW - 23 - Holland - Keep
Matt Stinson - CM - 19 - Canada - Keep
Nathan Sturgis - DM/RB/LB - 24 - USA - Release (too expensive for depth. Use his money for a CB)
Eddie Viator - CB/RB - 29 - Guadeloupe - Release
Dicoy Williams - CB - 25 - Jamaica - Keep
Mikael Yourassowsky - LB/LW - 28 - Belgium - Release
Gianluca Zavarise - CM/AM - 25 - Canada - Keep (worth keeping at 42k)
Need:
1 DP CB + 2 Depth
1 Starting LB
1 Depth RB
May need CM depth
Last edited by razor787; 10-07-2011 at 05:07 AM.
this would have to be the way to go..
I've heard Ecks has a steady girl here...so that may be some added pressure to stay...
i'm not sure how much allocation money TFC has, but allocation is so useful in MLS (for trades, buy down salary, etc) that spending a lot on transfer would limit TFC's ability to do business next season
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Im sure there's a girl out there, who will soldier on for the good of the team.
I see a lot of guys wanting to release Yourassowsky - I disagree, I think he's a valuable player who can slot in many positions...I would keep him, definetly. I love his energy too. You need a couple of guys like that on your roster.
I also like Soolsma - so thank god that most of you agree with me. I would start him most days - speed isn't everything.
And I would defintely keep JDG - he's finally producing fantastic displays - he's healthy, got guys to play with - and now you want to shed him? Crazy...he's worth every penny.
Dunfield is a keeper too. He's canadian, (kind of), and provides valuable depth. I think he's good for the big matches - he's been there, done that, and can only be a positive for guys like Stinson - to have him around.
Other than that, I think the original poster pretty much nailed it.
I wouldn't give up on Iro either, but we seem to have 4-5 centrebacks basically interchangeable, (including the injured guys), and anyone of them would be quite good paired with a more dynamic centreback. You could basically take your pick of 2 or 3 of the 5 of them, depending on a myriad of factors - chemistry with whoever they bring in, locker room dynamics, int'l slot, youth, etc.
You could argue that Iro would be more valuable than Harden if he was paired with the right partner - I think Iro has the capability to do so much more; whereas Harden is pretty much what he is. But then again, I don't think anyone would argue that Iro has outperformed Harden this season. I think that perhaps Cann would be found out with a better quality partner...his weaknesses could possibly be so much more exposed...I don't know, I guess I'd keep 'em all around until I found 'the guy' who would be the stud in centre D, and see how they match up with him. Harden is defintely a quality squad player I'd keep regardless, but the others...I dunno about...
Eric Avila - AM - 23 - USA - Keep
Danleigh Borman - LB/LW - 25 - South Africa - Maybe
Elbekay Bouchiba - DM - 32 - Holland - Release
Adrian Cann - CB - 31 - Canada - Keep
Oscar Cordon - AM/CM - 18 - Canada - Keep
Kyle Davies - 22 - CB - USA - Maybe
Julian de Guzman - 30 - DM/CM - Canada - Keep
Terry Dunfield - DM - 29 - Canada - Keep
Richard Eckersley - RB - 22 - England - Keep
Stefan Frei - GK - 25 - Switzerland - Keep
Torsten Frings - DM/SW - 34 - Germany - Keep
Matt Gold - DM - 23 - USA - Keep
Leandre Griffit - RW - 27 - France - Release
Ty Harden - CB - 27 - USA - Maybe
Doneil Henry - CB - 18 - Canada - Keep
Andy Iro - CB - 26 - England - Keep
Ryan Johnson - CF/LW - 26 - Jamaica - Keep
Milos Kocic - GK - 26 - Serbia - Keep
Danny Koevermans - CF - 32 - Holland - Keep
Nicholas Lindsay - 19 - W - Canada - Keep
Keith Makabuya - 18 - CF - Canada - Keep
Peri Marosevic - 22 - CF/AM/RW - USA - Keep
Javier Martina - 24 - RW - Holland - Release
Ashtone Morgan - 20 - LB - Canada - Keep
Demetrius Omphroy - 22 - RB - USA - Keep
Joao Plata - 19 - LW/RW - Ecuador - Keep
Nick Soolsma - RW - 23 - Holland - Keep
Matt Stinson - CM - 19 - Canada - Keep
Nathan Sturgis - DM/RB/LB - 24 - USA - Release
Eddie Viator - CB/RB - 29 - Guadeloupe - Release
Dicoy Williams - CB - 25 - Jamaica - Keep
Mikael Yourassowsky - LB/LW - 28 - Belgium - Release
Gianluca Zavarise - CM/AM - 25 - Canada - Keep
Results
Opens 3 roster spots through releases.
Leaves us with this sort of depth:
------------------Frei---------------------
----------------(Kocic)--------------------
------------------------------------------
Eckersley---Williams----Iro----------Morgan
(Omphroy)--(Harden)---(Cann)------(Borman)
------------(Henry)----(Davies)-----------
------------------------------------------
------------------Frings------------------
-----------------(Stinson)---------------
------------------(Gold)------------------
------------------------------------------
---------De Guzman------Avila------------
---------(Marosevic)----(Dunfield)-------
---------(Cordon)-------(Zavarise)--------
------------------------------------------
Plata-----------------------------Johnson
(Soolsma)------------------------(Lindsay)
------------------------------------------
----------------Koevermans--------------
----------------(Makabuya)--------------
IMO our needs are as follows (in order of priority):
Leader/starting CB. Play alongside one of Williams/Iro/Cann. Likely this means a trade/cut of one of the other CBs (looks like Davies, but likely to be one of Williams/Iro/Cann just because they all likely feel they should be starting).
Backup CF. Assuming Johnson is one of our starting wingers, we need someone to spell Koevermans from time to time, as well as able to play the role while coming in as a 60th or 70th minute sub.
Starting right winger. This allows Plata to come of the bench for speed, or allows Koevermans to take a day off and slot Johnson up top in the CF spot if needed. Hopefully this is someone that can play both wing positions equally well. No one gets cut out of this move, unless Soolsma needs to go for the INT spot.
Backup LB. Ideally this is someone who can play RB too, but we have adequate cover their with Gold and Stinson being able to play there if Omphroy isn't up for the challenge yet. This may result in the cutting of Borman.
Starting CB. We can't put any trust that either Williams or Cann will come back and be the same player they were. Knee injuries are tricky, and we shouldn't be banking on Iro or Harden being a consistent starting CB if Williams and/or Cann are not ready to go. This would result in the cutting of at least 1 CB (in addition to the one at the top).
We may end up having other holes to plug after any trades we make in order to shore up, as well as the expansion draft coming up.
not withstanding his tendency to go down a little too easy, Yourass hasn't shown that he's not really good in any position. yeah, a decent utility guy who can play multiple positions in a pinch, but not someone you want to waste an international spot on
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I think people are putting too much faith in Lindsay being able to come back and live up to the potential he showed last season.
I think Winter would've loved him. He was my favorite player to watch last season but I wouldn't hedge any bets on him coming back to the live up to expectations.
Not too much to disagree in this thread so far but why are people so keen on Zavarise? I strongly suspect he was signed pretty much by default to make up the numbers based on a discovery claim filed by Cochrane and Brennan rather than Winter and Mariner.
this could either go one of two ways. he could fall into a funk or he could use it as motivation to bust his ass and hit harder than ever. vs soolsma, i think he'd have a better chance to start if he kept of the form he had pre-injury.
we currently have plata on the left, and with lindsay on the right we'd have one of the most menacing attacks in the league.
I thought he was ok for depth, and if not for injuries, he'd get more minutes over Stinson
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Not to mention taking up 80k of cap space.
Cheap, young, domestic, can play both sides of the pitch. Sounds like the perfect depth winger type that every team in MLS needs.
Zavarise really slots in as midfielder backup #4 or 5, behind Marosevic, Dunfield, and Stinson at least. Being domestic and on 45k/year is exactly the type of player you want in that position. He can also play LW in a pinch. So, in summary, I don't think people are really high on Zavarise, it's more that it's not a pressing issue that you need to address (or a position that you can get all that much better in for that salary).
One thing that is missing, is who's contract is up at the end of the season.
My assumption for "keep" was that they were either under contract, or could get signed for the same amount for next year. Dunfield is the only exception that I'm aware of, as his salary doubles (I think?) next year.
Zavarise over Stinson? I don't know about that. I'd rather have Stinson.
If he can still make his potential. I would love to have the Nicholas Lindsay we saw in the lineup I just think that people are just looking past his injury too easily.
I was a big backer of this kid but there are lots of players who never come back to their old form or better after knee injuries. I'd love to see him make it but I have my doubts.
Same with Cann and Williams. You don't just flat out cut them because they had knee surgery. You give them a run out, and be prepared for a disappointment, but hope that they are the players they were previously.
Me too, but Stinson only got his chance after Zavarise got injured, and I didn't think Zavarise looked terrible at CM
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
That's pretty much warm body territory.
80k we should be asking questions like "is he serviceable?"
The domestic angle means diddlysquat in player personnel decisions, now TFC can get away with having only three Canadian players. Zavarise is too old to hang around long in that sort of role if he is seldom featuring in first team games because he isn't going to improve much over time. There are first round draft picks and probably more Academy graduates to fit onto the roster for next season, who can reasonably be expected to turn into first team regulars if given a season to train with the first team and play reserve games.
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