TFC/MLS blogs thread

**Yohan** · 11-15-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Pookie

^ you are free to your own opinion and can continue to believe in a cap if it suits you.

The fact remains that the league pays the salaries out of its own budget, that it allocates to its teams. Like it or not, that is the fundamental way in which the MLS operates.

If there was a cap, I'd would love to know what form of luxury tax it employs. Or, like the NHL, what the penalty is for a team that goes over its budget? These don't exist because there is no cap.

Given the way salaries are paid there is no need for a cap to control owner spending because the MLS is the owner. That's about as fundamental as it gets.

Again, this isn't a grand conspiracy type discussion. This is simply understanding how MLS works. Why TFC doesn't have maximum flexibility to sign unlimited players, why the whole discussion of base vs guaranteed comp is moot, and what we might expect from the league moving forward if we want to ensure competitiveness on the pitch and in the Front Office.

I can't make you believe it. It's up to you.

Allocation money
-To “buy-down” a player’s salary budget charge below the League maximum of $350,000.

**Greatest Ripoff** · 11-15-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Pookie

^ you are free to your own opinion and can continue to believe in a cap if it suits you.

The fact remains that the league pays the salaries out of its own budget, that it allocates to its teams. Like it or not, that is the fundamental way in which the MLS operates.

If there was a cap, I'd would love to know what form of luxury tax it employs. Or, like the NHL, what the penalty is for a team that goes over its budget? These don't exist because there is no cap.

Given the way salaries are paid there is no need for a cap to control owner spending because the MLS is the owner. That's about as fundamental as it gets.

Again, this isn't a grand conspiracy type discussion. This is simply understanding how MLS works. Why TFC doesn't have maximum flexibility to sign unlimited players, why the whole discussion of base vs guaranteed comp is moot, and what we might expect from the league moving forward if we want to ensure competitiveness on the pitch and in the Front Office.

I can't make you believe it. It's up to you.

I am open to your idea, but you didn't present one fact. It is all speculation.

**Pookie** · 11-15-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by narduch

If there is no cap, why would teams bother trading allocation?

It's a good question. Remember that allocation is the vehicle through which budgets are flexed. Each team has a pre-flex budget established by the league. Acquiring (or receiving) Allocation allows you to flex your budget. It has value.

However, it isn't the same as a cap which restricts your spending. The league is ultimately doing the spending.

Consider that TFC identifies an unsigned player right now that could help the team.

Assume TFC is at its "budget" max. It has taken all $2.81M given to it by the league and picked the players from the pool of players that MLS has signed and fit them into their roster.

Assume too that the league is at its max as well. It has signed and spent all the revenue it intends to spend on player salaries.

If the MLS is unwilling (or unable) to sign this player because its own funds are at its own max, the only route for TFC to be able to get this player is to "borrow" from the budgets of other teams. They would then trade for "allocation" money.

**tictoc** · 11-19-2012, 02:08 PM

Everything is ruined. New strip now up at RedNation Online!

**Redcoe15** · 11-19-2012, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by tictoc

Everything is ruined. New strip now up at RedNation Online!

LOL! I love that guy. He is sooo like us.

**bgnewf** · 11-21-2012, 11:34 AM

TFC Town Halls Kick Off

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/20...halls-kick-off

Thoughts on the first round of 2012 Toronto FC Town Halls

**v00d00daddy** · 11-21-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by bgnewf

TFC Town Halls Kick Off

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/20...halls-kick-off

Thoughts on the first round of 2012 Toronto FC Town Halls

Thanks for the recap. It's very troubling to hear about Mariners demeanour. I read the same in other write ups about the first round of town halls.

I'm very disappointed to hear that the renewals are going better than last year. I hope the MLSE staffer was lying to you.

I just don't understand this club anymore.

They spend more time catering to Season seat holders with bullshit like Raptors tickets, price cuts, and Montreal away busses....yet they don't address the glaringly obvious issues at this club. Anselmi, Cochrane and most of all...Mariner.

Who care about how much tickets cost or what kind of beer they'll serve next year if the product on the field is as shit as ever with no prospect for improvement.

They're putting lipstick on a pig. The problem is that the pig has already been slaughtered and has been left to rot. Smelling worse and worse with each passing day.

I truly fear that another bad season could be the end of this club being supported well.

I mean, what can they possibly offer next year if the team is terrible?

Free tickets? (almost done this year)
Free gear (done)
Free road trips (done)

I can't believe pro football in this city could be dying....AGAIN!!!

**ag futbol** · 11-21-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest Ripoff

I am open to your idea, but you didn't present one fact. It is all speculation.

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you here.

Pookie, while I like that you're aggressively questioning things, I don't think you can state that you have all the information. Regarding the lack of language relating to a salary cap etc, within the CBA.... the simplest explanation is that those conditions are covered in another document that is not publicly disclosed.

**tictoc** · 11-21-2012, 03:13 PM

Everything will be fine. New strip now up at East Side Stand Up!

**Pookie** · 11-21-2012, 07:22 PM

Town Hall Coverage via Waking the Red:

Town Hall # 1 - Selling hope and nothing else, why the backline must speak English and Plata is a 1 in 6 http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...sonal-timeline

Town Hall # 2 - Mariner gets Feisty - http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...-earl-cochrane

Town Hall # 3 - Live Coverage all Q&A's in the Comments section http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...ge-town-hall-3

Watch for Town Hall #4 Coverage in the Morning.

**ENBSports** · 11-22-2012, 01:43 AM

MLS waiver draft was held not a huge array of talent although again think TFC missed the boat in improving their depth in terms of MLS type talent. Thought ex-Crew Cole Grossman who was the only player drafted by Real Salt Lake could provide some depth in defensive midfield well Corey Hertzog - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10...y-hertzog.html who performed very well in USL Pro and in my prospect list for that league was waived by RBNY and not drafted so think Toronto should make a play for him.

What continues to worry me about TFC for the upcoming 2013 season is an inability/want to create depth and instead try to succeed through DP's, old free agents and players form the academy. If you look at the history of MLS including finalists Houston and in some extent the Galaxy success has been based on having enough players to survive through 34 games and playoffs than relying on stars.

**Yohan** · 11-22-2012, 01:51 AM

Hertzog got passed because he would have had to be picked up at $75k since he was no longer a GA player, and that's too expensive for a depth player without proven experience

**ENBSports** · 11-22-2012, 02:08 AM

That makes sense although he was only drafted in 2011 thought GA contracts last longer than 2 years. Wonder if he still had GA status with the Red Bulls or if Toronto traded for him he would of maintained his GA status.

Overall I think he's better than a lot of players Toronto currently has but way to early to judge until we see what they do this off season.

**tictoc** · 11-26-2012, 01:06 PM

Two of a kind. New strip now up at RedNation Online!

**Pookie** · 11-27-2012, 11:19 AM

Here's what is new @wakingthered

TFC must trade its DPs http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...assli#comments

Prospecting the Superdraft: Mikey Lopez http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...perDraft-Draft

Top 31 Countdown: http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...0-reggie-lambe

On of Offside: Town Hall DeBrief: http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...n-hall-fallout

Watch for Kevin Payne info courtesy of our colleagues at BlackandRedUnited.com. http://www.blackandredunited.com/201...s-team-stadium

**tictoc** · 11-27-2012, 01:56 PM

Jump around. New strip now up at East Side Stand Up!

**ManUtd4ever** · 11-27-2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by tictoc

Jump around. New strip now up at East Side Stand Up!

Well done, LOL!

And very prompt, as well.

**tictoc** · 11-27-2012, 01:59 PM

Hope it happens 'cause if not I'll look like an idiot. Haha!

**Pookie** · 11-27-2012, 10:26 PM

Ongoing Payne coverage. What Supporters Groups can expect from Kevin Payne from the perspective of DC United's Barra Brava founder Oscar Zambrana.

http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/11/...d-barrra-brava

**Oldtimer** · 11-28-2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by tictoc

Jump around. New strip now up at East Side Stand Up!

You just created a great banner idea.

**tictoc** · 11-28-2012, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Oldtimer

You just created a great banner idea.

Thanks! I live to give (often by accident).

**ArmenJBX** · 11-28-2012, 09:35 AM

Kevin Payne Set For Leadership Role At Toronto FC

The conflict of interest between Anselmi, Cochrane, Mariner and Payne has already caused some worry amongst supporters, though this is still very premature and could very well be unfounded. According to Megaloudis, Payne is very familiar with Toronto FC’s current crop, saying “Kevin knows Thomas Rongen very well and Earl Cochrane as well.”

Building TFC Part 1 of 3: Starting at the Back

Building TFC Part 2 of 3: Strength in the Middle

Don't forget to check out the latest "East Side Stand Up!" Comic Strip!

**bgnewf** · 11-28-2012, 07:58 PM

Payne In - Anselmi Out

http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/2012/11/payne-in-anselmi-out/

Thoughts on the change of Leadership at Toronto FC announced earlier today with the hiring of Kevin Payne as President.

**Still Kicking** · 11-29-2012, 05:39 PM

The second half of the season I found it harder and harder to blog about the team....Mistake by the Lake was in doubt. Town Hall and K Payne only the latest episodes in the rekindle project. Blogging again.

http://torontofcfan-mistakebythelake...tytfc-101.html

**ENBSports** · 11-29-2012, 06:07 PM

**deacon** · 11-30-2012, 06:44 AM

Sam Cronin voted 3rd best DMId in MLS behind Allonso, Beckerman and TFC gave him away. The way to strengthen any team is to hold on to top players and let them develop, especially when they are 23.

**ENBSports** · 11-30-2012, 09:58 PM

Newest article on my blog Analyzing the MLS SuperDraft: The GA debate - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/11...ga-debate.html

**JuliquE** · 12-01-2012, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by tictoc

Jump around. New strip now up at East Side Stand Up!

Dope! It's funny: shortly after the news broke and I saw this strip, I was at my gym and that song was played. lööll

**tictoc** · 12-01-2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by JuliquE

Dope! It's funny: shortly after the news broke and I saw this strip, I was at my gym and that song was played. lööll

That's pretty funny. When I heard about the hire, one of the first things I did was download the song.

**Pookie** · 12-03-2012, 10:48 AM

Today on Waking the Red

Ajax and Total Football - TFC's Past and its Future?

Want to know what we will see on the pitch? A look at what DC United built with commentary from Sonny Silooy, DC's Director of Youth Development (an Ajax legend hired by Payne). Combined with Payne's commentary regarding, possession, attack, Barcelona and Rongen's involvement with first team, is this déjà vu?

http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/12/...re-kevin-payne

Top 31 Countdown #4 Luis Silva

http://www.wakingthered.com/2012/12/...r-4-luis-silva

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