The team was exhausted from all the travel and Iro looked even more so.
He's still not a starter, but he's not nearly as bad as he was tonight.
Ecks is usually great for us but even he was shite tonight and I thought Winter did well to sub him.
I have confidence in Winter and Mariner to get the back line together in the off season when JDG's salary is free'd up.
I think we're gonna be great next year.
ok, let's all chillax. Don't crash the db again, go have a few pints.. come back in the morning
Originally Posted by Pachuco
Game - Iro - Cronin = TFC Win
See how easy that was?
It's simple; from my vantage point, the bottom line is that Iro was directly responsible for at least 2 of their goals. If he didn't let the ball through his legs, and cause yet another PK, TFC wins this match 3-1. I agree a couple of others players were suspect as well, but they didn't blatantly gift the opposition any goals. I don't know why people are tarnishing the performance of the entire team. I maintain that TFC played well enough to have won this match easily if Iro hadn't made those two glaring errors.
Last edited by ManUtd4ever; 08-06-2011 at 09:27 PM.
fuck all you haters, I'm getting Iro on my jersey
I thought we were pitiful in the first half, some of the worst football going forward I've seen this year.
Second half we were much better. We looked gassed though, it definitely was a factor.
De Guzman played very positive football, always pushing forward and trying to create for his teammates. If he can play like he did today, every day, then I'll be very pleased.
Iro...He just doesn't fit the 4-3-3, plain and simple.
Overall I just don't know how to feel. I'm incredibly angry, it should have been our game, and to lose after being up for around 90 mins is absolutely unacceptable. However, it's difficult to blame the team for tonight's loss. Just a disappointing night.
And the defense is keeping our side back.
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considering the games played and travel this week, that was an impressive display by TFC. Aside from the Eeyore look-a-like at CB that made me pine for the days of Marco Reda we looked solid back to front. Johnno and Plata were quiet, yes, but how often do you see a TFC side boss an away game like that, have probably70% possession and score 3 goals?
Iro needs to train train train and get fit- the lad was dead on his feet out there having played more in a week than he has in the last 6 months. He can't be THAT bad consistently can he? I recall him being a beast for the kkkrew vs us.
Brightside time....a month ago the midfield was shit, we weren't scoring, we had a shitty left back and we were ready to throw the project with Mariner and Winter under the bus....fast forward to tonight and we are (arguably) a centre back or 2 away from being an entertaining and competitive team.
The glass is half full.
You know what pisses me off?
5 years. 5 fucking years and not one bit of stability in central defense. Welsh, Garcia, Harden, Iro, etc. it's all shit.
And the best CBs we've had are gone (Serioux and Nana).
What a joke of a club.
Dero trade is looking like more and more Vince Carter-ish.
I can see DeRo coming back in a year or two. I think that he would prefer to be in the GTA. But it's a long shot.
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Welsh was a winger! Oh dear!
Good idea, I was going to get Titus but you're right.
They played with 10 men for 95 f'in minutes!! Their top keeper was sent off, their coach sent off, their backup keeper sucking balls, we should have won no matter how poorly Iro played. Full squad for them we would likely have lost! We got a goal from a bad keeper screw up, and one on an unfair substitution. This was just another terrible game that the organization will say "let's focus on the positives".
Johnson was invisible because he clearly seemed tired.
Ecks taken off after a dreadful cross into the upper deck.
Plata did have hustle, but any 18 year old should be able to play 7 games in 7 days in 7 countries on 7 continents.
K-man will be a great pickup, still doing his bit as is
Per... right place right time.
Avila, well, he was at the top of the pile when celebrating K-mans goal.
Frei... a few games like that a year and he'll be with us for life! I'm happy with that.
DeGuz... nice. But why were you sitting on the bench feeling sorry for yourself when everyone else was celebrating a goal?
you forgot gorgon
Do you have a direct line to Winters brain? Maybe he thought Ecks was tired?
Also, Ecks was pushing the play, not sitting back.
And and for those saying we would have lost if DC keeper hadnt been sent off... well you have no way of knowing that because they wouldnt have bad every man in the box and our forwards would have had far more room to maneveur.
My problem comes from the statement that we would have easily won the game without Iro, and then you don't consider that if DC doesn't get a red card and are forced to play their backup goal keeper (who was horrid) then you could easily say the opposite. Their backup goal keeper was directly responsible for 2 goals. Oh and our goal keeper if you ask me was directly responsible for one as well.
I'm not one to come on here and say, fuck we were gifted a tie by their goal keeper, because I recognize that our defender had much to do with that tie as well. So why can't people just see beyond that. Oh, and you all say it like Iro isn't part of this team or something. Like this can be fixed without issue once we replace him. When the dude is actually our replacement CB, and the best one we have right now. We got way more problems then Iro, this game showed that. Some people don't want to recognize that for some reason.
I was thinking about that, but at least DeRo didn't stop trying unlike Carter.
de Guzman scored and De Rosario has closure.
It was destiny that De Rosario did what he did today.
Now we can close the De Rosario chapter and look forward. Koevermans is starting to look great, our midfield is flowing, wingbacks working, academy kids are getting there...pieces starting to fall in place.
Patience, men. Patience.
Someone has to stick up for people around here. I called douchebaggery on a fellow poster who claimed someone else to be "a fucking drama queen" and I stick by it.
For all those hating Iro, just remember, Winter picked the guy! Iro isn't Preki, Johnson, or Carver's signing...he's Winter's player. I think you should direct your hate to the guy who picked him in the first place! Winter has no excuses with this squad, its now 100% HIS team.
I didn't say he was sitting back. He was having a hard time being effective while he was pushing forward. Of course he was tired, that's why he wasn't having so good of a game.
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The bottom line is that if Iro doesnt let a ball sail through his fucking legs, and shove a guy to the ground in the box, this game could have ended 3-1, and we would all feel a lot different about the performance.
Our defense was no good. Theres no excusing that. However, we still managed three goals of our own, including another for our new striker.
(Apologies for the lack of proper punctuation -something is wrong with my keyboard)
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And this will soon be rectified imo by Mariner, next season, we will be solid.
Our offence is good now, and the defence shall be addressed. Mariner has shown that he understands our weaknesses.
I Rot actually had a part in one of our goals, and, bad as he was, Dero beat several other notable players tonight, including the almighty one Frings, when he made his 8 or 9 shots on net.
You're right, but overall Winter's team looks much better now than beginning of the season. Some signings aren't going to workout in the end, but at least we are trying to improve here.
Good thing is that Iro contract ends after this season. So we are off the hook here.
Dude, we just picked up Iro to address this weakness. That's seriously troubling!
I disagree, and I will continue to question this view. The bottom line is if their goal keeper knows how to stop a ball from 65 yards out and knows how to close his legs this game could have easily ended 3-1 the other way. The result was the result, and it wasn't because of one player alone on our team. You have to consider what happened to them if you are going to make a statement like that.
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