I just think JDG should never shoot. He has no history of goals, and can't shoot worth a shit (that one shot on goal last night was like 1 in 100). So even if he's open, he should just fuckin pass the ball to somebody else. Cuz his field goals cost us opportunities.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but Dunfield was not cheap for the Whitecaps to get I'm pretty sure they front-loaded his contract like crazy to get him over here. Sort of like Ilya Kovalchuk's bazillion year contractOriginally Posted by Oldtimer
They gave him more last year. He's on a 65k contract right now.
Does anyone know how much allocation we gave up for him to come here? All I'm saying is that he may look cheap but he probably wasn't.
So it all had to do with the fact that JDG came off and Dunfield came on and had nothing to do with the fact that the timbers were sitting back trying to bunker down (which, like tfc are nowhere near good enough defensively to do that) and that martina absolutely owned the right side of the pitch when he came on?
I think you are right. I remember reading on here that dunfield is on about double the money next year, I could be wrong.
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Exactly.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
Mad Respect to the timber army! Goosebumbs the whole game.
Never mind the tit-for-tat about JDG. It's not whether he's any good, the point is that he's not good enough for the money he's on.
Personally, I think he's lazy, ineffective, we're better off without him and he should be paying back his wage for the performances he turns in. But keep on defending him if you must.
By that logic we are way better with him in the lineup. TFC lost 4 in a row after the vancouver win all of which JDG never played in. So how are we better off without him in the line-up?
Right. I agree fully. When strategy and desperation dictated the need for change, the manager did the right thing, and put jdg to pasture.
Would any other mls side trade their starting holding midfielder straight up for jdg if the salary was not an issue? He is simply not good enough to play for most clubs in this league (how he made it in la liga remains a huge mystery for me)
Actually if you watch the game TFC started taking over the run of play before the JDG sub.
I was a JDG supporter for a long time. But when you get the ball in the penalty area, directly in front of the goal, with lots of time to settle, you have to be able to put the shot on frame. Maybe you will at least get an occasional rebound or corner out of it or something. That counts for anyone who plays in a U12 rep team & better, any position (defense, MF, or offence). Man, goalies have a better track record of scoring goals against us from that area, than JDG has for us. He generally seems to have a huge problem hitting the ball accurately, regardless if it's a pass or a shot. I don't know if it's nerves with JDG, or injury, or something else. I would bet that if Frings had golden opportunities like that, he would at least have made the Portland keeper do some work. The long range shot that Frings put over the net recently was from farther away, with more people between him & the net, so it was a more difficult shot.
i'm starting to get off the JDG 'will be successful' bandwagon, and i know he's rusty as crap. But with what we are paying Dunfield, and the passion/determination he shows, if i was a CM i'd rather have him beside than JDG any day of the week. Dunfield is a true competitor, like our other DPs....Johnson is another one. Boys who simple don't give up, because they aren't afraid.
LOVING the new TFC...too bad i'm moving to Vancouver in August...waaaa
Vancouver is a great city. You'll know what it's like for me to be a habs fan in enemy territory.
Big huge props to the Timbers army who treated us royally and thanked us for coming. We heard grief from one fan stating the he hoped that Portland would win, turns out he was a Vancouver fan. Loved the electric atmosphere from the TA section, their Tetris move was simply amazing.
Interesting, you could see the Timbers fans almost slump when Toronto scored their first goal.
Really great to meet some of the TFC away fans. On the six minute game preview you can see the huge TFC flag in the very first scene a little pocket of red in the field of green.
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He actually was very good in Spain, and decent on the CMNT. The biggest mystery is why he usually is crap for TFC (he has the occasional good game, like against Esteli). I used to think it was Preki's fault, JDG isn't made for the bunker for 90 minutes game. Then I thought it was team-mates who didn't know the passing game. Now I think something else must be wrong, something that no coach can fix. Maybe he's playing in pain and can't concentrate. Maybe he's checked out and is just collecting a paycheque. Maybe he's missing his family in Spain. Whatever it is, it's not working and he needs to go.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I had the priviledge of going to Portland about 5 weeks ago, and man...what a fantastic city. Jeld-Win (PGE) Park would be the crown jewel of MLS stadiums if it had grass, it's absolutely beautiful.
I would encourage any TFC fan to make the trip to Portland, the prices are great, the people are super friendly and you can walk the city very simply.
Watched the game in 6.....
How shit is Iro? I swear it's like he is always 5 seconds behind the play.
Ty Harden, JDG, Andy Iro, Yourassowsky, Borman, etc. are?
I didn't say this entire team was sub-MLS quality. Every time we eek out a draw on the road (we still haven't won an MLS road game this year) we do a complete 180 from "WORST TEAM EVER!" to "this new side is going to be SICK NASTY in 8-10 games".
I'm excited for Koevermans, Frings, and so on but the shit outweighs the good by a lot.
How does that work? If I was to employ that line of thinking, I could say that I wore blue socks on Thursday instead of black, and it rained that day, which the garden needs, so I should wear blue socks every day.
Saying JDG makes us a better side because he played 60 minutes in a draw on the road... if you can even call that reasoning, then it's specious at best.
Sorry, JDG has had two years to show his quality, to take up a leadership position on this team. To-date, he simply has not done either.
So how are we better off with him?
JDG is never worth a DP slot, not even close.
Out of curiosity...did you watch more than the game in six?
Portland:
-Great fan support in their first MLS year
-Coach with an English accent, with a direct 4-4-2 hoof and run game
-Giving up goals late in the game
-New stadium
^Kind of sounds familiar.
I know Toronto hasn't really achieved anything, but I don't feel like the last 5 years have gone to waste for us, at all. I feel like, as an organization, TFC IS a few years ahead of the Portlands and Vancouvers of the league.
In comparison to these teams, Toronto has a lot to look forward to next season and for once we seem to have a clear direction of what is going to happen. Usually, at this point our team would be falling apart. But I feel like the opposite is happening, a winning team is forming.
Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but that is just what I see around the league and where TFC stands.
Last edited by nickio; 07-31-2011 at 10:04 PM.
HUH?
I watched the game in 80. I missed the start of the 2nd half.
"By a lot" my fuckin ass.
Koevermans, Plata, Johnson, Frings, Dunfield, Eckersley, Frei are not shit.
That's 7 starting players who are damn good enough for MLS.
Martina, Soolsma, Cann, Williams, Santos...all are good enough for MLS in the roles they play.
Or you have guys like Morgan, Omphroy, Henry who are just kids with potential, so labeling them shit simply isn't fair.
Or you have guys like Lindsay, Bouchiba, Griffit, Marosevic...who are either hurt or having been here long enough to even grade.
TLDR version: blow your shit out your ass cause it's annoying when you spew it from your fingers.
How many MLS rosters don't have 5-10 shit players on it?
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The shit only outweighs the good BY A LOT, in the context of our unrest over several previous years of shit.
I think our offense is probably going to be okay, and our defense still needs work (and a couple of good signings). We've finally got a striker who can at least force the keeper to make a save, a couple of bonafide midfielders, and actual options on the wings (for the first time in years).
There's no doubt our defense is still rubbish - Harden, Borman, and Yourass don't impress me at all (though I think Yourass is a bit better at LB). Iro I'm still not sure about - defending is a group activity, and when you're out of sync with those around you, it's easy to look shit. Even more so when you're trying to trap.
There are still more problems than solutions (this is all you can say, until our record starts to prove otherwise), but some issues are being sorted.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
why is our defense so shit
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