View Poll Results: Who'd win? 2007 Expansion Team v The 2011 Winter Team

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    54 33.13%
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    Default Could the current squad beat the Expansion TFC?

    Who would win?

    The squad of Sutton, Brennan, Wynne, Robinson, Edu, O'Brien and Dichio or the XI that played Saturday in KC?

    Pick one.
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    The squad from yesterday, handily. How many minutes was it before we scored the first goal in club history, again?

    - Scott
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    Wasn't the midseason goal scoring slump even longer? Until Canizalez scored against Columbus?

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    The team from May-June 2007, once Dichio, Marshall and Wynne were in, and the rest had a few games to gel (funny to recall that it took only take a few games, hmmm, ahhh forget it), but before injuries forced Braz, Reda, Lombardo, Canizalez, Pozniak and others into starting roles, would beat this team, and may be the TFC best team ever. The 2009 team might have been better. But only just.
    Last edited by ensco; 07-24-2011 at 08:55 PM.
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    i would like to take a mix of both to tell ya the truth

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    2007 30 games 25 goals, 49 goals against
    2011 23 games 19 goals, 41 goals against.

    lots of factors to bring into consideration, overall, I think I'd take 2011. probably. just.

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    2007 Expansion team. Sorry, I'm just going by the stats here.

    TFC may have ended its inaugural season dead last with 25 points and a 6-17-7 record, but we had 25 goals for and 49 against at the end of the season compared to our current 19 for and 41 against with 11 games still to go.

    If our current trend continues, we are on track to have the worst season ever, even if the league standings don't necessarily reflect that.

    That said, I think Swan is right in that we'd have a good mix if we had some players from 2007 on the pitch with the current team.
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    i like being right.. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    The squad from yesterday, handily. How many minutes was it before we scored the first goal in club history, again?

    - Scott
    Handily?

    In 2007 TFC played 30 games. This season there's 34, so the following numbers are based on the first 30 games of this season in order to compare the two.

    TFC gave up 49 goals in total during the 2007 campaign and already this year we've given up 41…that would mean we'd only give 7 goals up in the next 12 games.

    Toronto's goal difference to date is just two (-22) better than 2007 (-24)…do you think from this point on TFC will score 2 more than we conceded?

    In 2007 TFC lost 17 games, we've already lost 11, do think we'll lose less than 6 in the next 12?

    Just throwing it out there…
    Last edited by Toronto_Bhoy; 07-24-2011 at 09:13 PM.
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    One team couldn't score, one team can't defend. The game would either be incredibly exciting, or frustratingly boring.


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    ^Amazing to think that we are on track to concede 60 or 65 goals, and we only gave up 49 with Braz, Reda and Boyens getting tons of minutes, and a joke of a revolving door happening at GK (Monsalve, Reynolds, Stama).
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    Maybe when you get a lot of untalented defenders together, but they stay together for an extended period of time, they perform better than defenders who definitely have more talent, but don't have the benefit of knowing each other's tendencies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cashcleaner View Post

    That said, I think Swan is right in that we'd have a good mix if we had some players from 2007 on the pitch with the current team.
    Like some "heart and soul"?
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    2011 could crush 2007, I don't think many of you recognize or will admit how far MLS has come in five years.

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    The recent DP signings give the nod to 2011.

    Pre-DP signings I say 2007 eeks out a 1-0 win through Dichio.

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    On paper 2011. Reality, 2007 team had their moments and this 2011 team hasn't had one yet.

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    Only the recent DP signings save 2011 TFC on this one.

    Having said that, with the defence we have - anything is possible.

    There was a certain magic to the 2007 team. Way more heart than we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiakTFC View Post
    2011 could crush 2007, I don't think many of you recognize or will admit how far MLS has come in five years.
    Most everyone would agree with that. Most teams are a lot better. Only 1 or 2 (us and maybe NE) are arguably worse.
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    4-4-2: MoJo Team

    ------------------------Stamatopolous----------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Wynne---------Marshall---------------Boyens-----Dunivant
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------Koevermans-----------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Santos-----------------------------------------------Martina
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    O'Brien---------Robinson--------------Edu---------Brennan
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------------Johnson-----------DeGuzman---------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    ---------------Dichio--------------Cunningham--------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    ---------------------------Frings-----------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Yourassowsky----Iro--------------Williams-------Eckersley
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------------------------Frei------------------------------

    4-3-3: Winter's Team

    Its a tough matchup for sure, but I think the tough defense on the wings for MoJo's team would negate the talent of Winter's team. Also, because the large gap between Martina and Eckersley or Santos and Yourassowsky along the wings the MoJo team would be able to provide plenty of crosses to Dichio playing 1 vs 1 with Iro. Cunningham on the other hand would struggle with Frings and Williams closing him down. The only positive for the Winter team would be the fact that they could stop the play through the middle with Frings as a Defensive Midfielder and DeGuzman pace and experience vs rookie Edu. Koevermans would find it hard to get any crosses into the box with the wide game taken away by the MoJo's team, and would find it hard to get anything through to him through the middle of the pitch because MoJo's team is playing compact with Robinson and Edu in front of the two centre backs.

    Final Result after 90 mins: MoJo team 1:1 Winter team

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    2007 wins 2-0 Driven by enthusiasm, excitement, and grit. The current team lacks all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiakTFC View Post
    2011 could crush 2007, I don't think many of you recognize or will admit how far MLS has come in five years.
    Yep, this was part of my calculation. The league has improved vastly since TFC entered the league. 2007 TFC couldn't score against other 2007 MLS teams for hundreds and hundreds of minutes at a time.

    And I suspect anyone talking about magic or heart in the 2007 team is thinking more with their own heart than their brain.

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    If anyone would look at the roster we have now in 2007- it looks like a great team on paper. With JDG and Frings in the middle, a ManU raised fullback, and a PSV Striker- it's hard to say we lack quality. The problem is that huge difference between our BEST and HARDEN... I mean WORST.

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    Uruguay wins the copa, and were amazing during the world cup. On paper this should never have happened. Soccer is a team game, the 2007 club was a better team than this current hopelessly squad. They may have had trouble scoring but at least the 2007 club could string more than 2 passes at a time.

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    i miss the 07 team such great memories, and every TFC fan who supported toronto since day 1 knows what i mean by those great memories.

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    somebody should simulate this on FIFA.. haha.

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    I think the original team would win. The current squad has talent, but plays pretty poorly.

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    I think post-DP signings the 2011 squad has the edge.

    Before those signings, I think 2007 (mid-season, not start) takes it. I'm not one to normally point to grit, but we've seen this squad lay down a few too many times while the 2007 squad simply had more character.

    Thinking about this is kind of sad actually, if for no other reason than it seemed like the 2007 team really played for the fans despite their obvious shortcomings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiakTFC View Post
    2011 could crush 2007, I don't think many of you recognize or will admit how far MLS has come in five years.
    This

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    2011.


    but this is not a game I would want to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swan View Post
    i would like to take a mix of both to tell ya the truth
    Unfortunately with our current management team we would end up with the worst of both......

 

 

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