A Euro Championship, 3 WC finals, and a few semi-finals appearances is not poor - not even close.Originally Posted by Empirical
Let alone from a country of ~15m people.
A Euro Championship, 3 WC finals, and a few semi-finals appearances is not poor - not even close.
Let alone from a country of ~15m people.
Interesting article about Fabregas' signing in Barcelona and how it is a tactical evolution.
Quick notes:
- Fabregas replaces Puyol not (Xavi, Busquets, Alcantara)
- Barcelona can play, with a team of midfielders
- The role of the central 'defender' will become obsolete in the Barcelona system.
- Specialist defenders will be replaced by defensive midfielder
Would replacing a natural CD with a DM work in the MLS?
Eckersley - Frings - DeGuzman - ?
Dunfield - Avila - ??
Plata - Koevermans - Johnson
The modern day CDM in some way developed from moving the sweeper up, the sweeper is a skilled passing Central defenr, the two positions are closely related. Fabercas is not defender.
What the guy in the article means is..
Fabregas replaces Puyol in the sense that now mascherano/busquets can be moved to the CD and Fabregas takes over that spot in midfield
^ That I see, although Maschareno is to small, but busquets seems to be able to do it. I will say this that the CBs and CDM should be able to interchange, in most systems. Being aware positionaly and passing skills are essential in both positions. When a CB gets posession of the ball, a good pass should be choice, one, and butting it up the field should be the last one.
They're the best team in the world. Why change a winning formula?
In my opinion, the reason why the Dutch National team has failed in the past, is not the system, but because the players have been exceptional individuals, but sucked as a team, until the last World Cup where they played well as a team, can that translate to TFC, about playing within the System as a team, I think so, TFC have been more organized in the past 5 or 6 matches, including the home loss to FC Dallas. just my thoughts.
Good teams will keep evolving around the personal that yet have and to keep the opposition from being able to figure them out.
So with Frings playing the mid of the backline in our 3-4-3 that worked vs RSL, could it be said we're not only utilizing this tactical style but we're also keeping up with the advances of it?
Not to say that's the only way we should play, but the prospect of utilizing the current and future tactics of one of the greatest clubs in the world is certainly exciting....if that's indeed what Winter is doing.
Resting on your laurels never really worked well in ...well, just about anything.
Sure but that's a drastic change especially at the center half which as TFC supporters can say is probably the most important position. Will they have midfielders that understand the CB characteristics like positioning, defensive intuition, offside trap? What about big strong center forwards or players who time their runs well?
It may work against lesser opposition when they'll have most the possession but against Champions League opponents, I think it will bite them in the ass.
^ That is why Busquets can work at CB, as he not only has the skill set to play CB, while Maschereno can not due to his lack of size. The quickest solution to a small but skilled back like is a couple of big Center Forwards, pushing them around.
an interesting note on top of this is that the spain team that played in the world cup contained 6 of the current starting XI barca players.
The whole the Dutch have failed is simply wrong, they have not won a wc, but other then those who have, and even compared to some that have they have a outstanding international record.
Yeah, I never understood people that think you have to win the World Cup to be considered a good team.
Seriously, there have only been 19 champs since 1930.
Being a finalist is a pretty big deal.
^ It sure is, as is finishing in the final four.
19 WC Champs ( 12 of those won by Brazil, Italy, and Germany, which all have populations much larger then the Dutch).
It is amazing how many systems and variations there are yet most games come down to success in 1 v 1 situations.
system, NL no 1 on FIFA ranking?
Rumours are that on August 24 the Dutch National team will be ranked number 1 by FIFA. Some of the stats experts apparently did the math before FIFA did. And the the current system isn't the same as 'totaal voetbal', where wingers had chalk on their shoes/ were glued to the sideline. They do still try to use the space in the corners of the opponents side of the pitch though. But it now can also be covered by other players playing on that side of the pitch. I think they watched the Brazilians do that, they clearly didn't like Branco when he played against The Netherlands a few years ago. Soccer (augh I said it) balls move faster than soccer players, simple as that.
Clockwork Orange was the latest term I heard for this system (wasn't Barcelona FC's away jersey orange for a while?).
1v1, first touch, first to the ball and patience while defending.....
we're talking about too many things at once here. for me personally anyways. holland is netherlands is dutch. I dont know who said dutch soccer vs holland soccer but it was said. netherlands does not have weak results in international football. read up on the last 50 years of soccer. especially not when you think of results in terms of per capita, theyre the 2nd greatest football nation in the world that way. (uruguay is 1st with only 3.5 million people) anyways I'm not dutch, my name is just a name but yes I could see barcelona trying to evolve the game with more midfields around the the pitch, and yes I think tfc should take advantage of theyre strengths to the best of theyre benefit. they have an advantage right now that they can place jdg or frings or avila in different positions. some people say frings as a cb is a waste or not where he should be but putting jdg as cm and avila at am allows us to have frings as the sweeper/shut down man and also be a GREAT quarter back for our attacking forward. eckersley and frings are a great combo in the back field. jdg is a great dp and midfielder and just because frings is on the team dosent mean he needs to leave. thats the great thing about midfielders and what makes toronto look really good right now. players can be moved and the whole unit is no weaker. listening to winter after rsl, the media kept trying to pin him down (why was frings playing cb/ is 3-4-3 the new system/ will frings be moved to defense/ etc etc) winters answer was we look at each game individually, people and systems will be played as best we can that day. and thats great to know we can take advantage of that because most mls teams dont have that much room to swap and move around theyre plans.
He seemed to do fine there in the Champions League Final last year... when they made ManU look like BoyU - IN ENGLAND.
^ Sure, but that is one game, but I would think that game in game out I would want a more physical presence at CB.
You desing system to put your players in the most varouable 1 on 1 situations, and limit them in situations in which you are in a disadvantage. It is not a either or question.
FUCK THE SYSTEM, maaaan.
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