woah, then its thisOriginally Posted by KGH
--Gargan----Henry--Harden----Borman--
or is there another academy player to slot in? or hatchi?
woah, then its this
--Gargan----Henry--Harden----Borman--
or is there another academy player to slot in? or hatchi?
Would a two-stick of Ryan Johnson with the Jamaican flag with the words "greener pastures" be too much?
Im a big fan of this trade. I think it does a ton for the club and we are a better side than before.
Dunfield will play as the ball winner JDG never was and with Frings and JDG in the midfield we have a very, very strong midfield and with Aleman never going to play for us anyway, Id take a ball winning leader than a kid who did zero at the u17 and is nothing more than potential at this point.
The Johnson trade took money, an unhappy player, a constantly injured and a constantly useless as well as injured player off the books. Johnson should be ok for us. He gives us someone to play so Plata can develop. I was hoping for someone more of a goal scorer to play that position but it looks like he gets a point either a goal or assist every three games, which isn't too bad.
I truly hope Winter signs someone who is a top quality right winger. We've never had that, with Frings, JDG and Dunfield in the mid, a serviceable left winger and Koevermans up top I really like our attack.
Our back line needs to be shored up, but I suspect with someone like Dunfield to park in front of the central defenders there will be less breakaways and the like.
Likely the correct time to trade Gordon as much as I loved the guy this year, he came in with very low expectations and really played above himself. We shall see but I will bet that his second half of the year is not as productive as the first half, it seems like he needs a lot of recovery time.
We shall not forget the "win" like draw in LA when Gordon carried the team on his back. A highlight this year. Kind of a shame to see him go but in terms of the team the correct time to trade him.
Coaches often only plan a year or two in advance anyways.
I've only been able to read a few pages of the threads, but it seems like TFC have made good moves. I like the addition of Dunfield, and Johnshon(if he's used as a winger), and the international spot and allocation. As for the players leaving, Gordon, Nana, and Peterson were all good players who despite criticism from many fans all gave plenty of effort for the club. Hopefully we continue in the right direction, and continue to add quality players to our roster. I'm pleased with the progress, however what defines Winter's regime will be the additional players he brings in to solidify the line-up.
TFC gave up all rights to him, he's a free agent able to sign for any team in the world.
Too few people would know what it was all about if it has only been on twitter, maybe? Beyond that I hope Jacob Peterson is left feeling like Kermit on the green thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIOiwg2iHio
Out of curiosity, why did you go from Peterson to Sturgis with your avatar?
He was paid way more money last year while VWFC was not in MLS, so that this year they could pay him way less and fudge their numbers.
So he probably made around 100,000 - 200,000 on average over the two years.
Sigh..
I need a new picturePage 8
So does the other shoe drop today?
We're bringing in players but we're not "scratching where it itches". We still badly need an attacking mid and quality CB. Dunfield is definitely NOT THE ANSWER TO ANYTHING (except one of Vancouver's headaches).
The other players including the two dp's don't address our main problems. And continuing to use Ecks out of position causes all kinds of problems with width and the whole right side of our attack. There needs to be more coming or we won't have improved at all, except marginally in areas where we already were reasonably well set - CF (DKoevermans) and d-mid (Frings).
And I am still pissed about losing Nana. RJohnson is nothing to write home about, however if the I-spot and allocation $ he brought are turned to good account that would help a lot.
....If the CB is Kevin Hatchi I would say its a dissapointment
Ives' take on the trades:
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/m...-system-071411
At his best, Dunfield is a capable central midfielder. He saw considerable playing time for Canada at the Gold Cup, but he also endured ups and downs with the Whitecaps. In Aron Wintter's 4-3-3 system, Dunfield is the type of defensive midfielder who could work well.
Ryan Johnson has struggled badly in MLS, having yet to score a goal this season, but his play for Jamaica has impressed and he could thrive in Toronto’s three-forward system. He does boast speed, though his finishing still leaves something to be desired.The day’s big loser? It’s tough to understand Vancouver’s motivation for trading Dunfield, and with Whitecaps fans already mired in a forgettable debut season, dealing away Dunfield to a rival for what amounted to peanuts could come back to haunt the expansion club.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
CSN reported that because Aleman's been in our system for a year, he's our MLS property for 3 years.
Although it's expected that his rights become the "future considerations" in the Dunfield trade, where if he plays 1 year in the VWFC system he'll become "homegrown" talent for their club.
Johnson I don't know enough about. Dunfield, for me, is an upgrade from JDG. Perhaps a bit less natural talent, but much more heart and far stronger work ethic. That's what's needed.
I take Ives opinion with a grain of salt these days.
Nana is just boarding his plane... he appreciates all the support from the supporters and says "Thanks"... I'm so sad. He's such a great guy with so much potential. I wished him nothing but the best and he is going to do amazing - that is a fact!
Funny asterisk to this: given the size of this trade, you've got to believe this was in the works for a while. Which makes me wonder about Brandon Macdonald, a pretty good young starting CB who is in the exact same situation Nana is (ie expiring contract, probably heading elsewhere at end of season), whom SJ moved to DCU two weeks ago for an allocation.
Who knows the ins and outs of these things, but from the outside, it's kind of odd that Macdonald didn't come here. Maybe it's because we're already pretty heavy on rentals, but he would have helped last week!
From SJ's perpective, I think I get it, Macdonald is a lot likelier to catch on in Europe than Nana is.
Last edited by ensco; 07-15-2011 at 09:27 AM.
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i'm in the same boat...he was the place for mls news and "insider" info
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The only player we'll miss is Gordon.....when he's fit.
Attakora is a liability at the back and Peterson is crap.
Can't understand why Winter didn't get a couple of defenders.
Dunfield and Johnson are average.
Id be willing to bet that a) Mariner is making these trades and b) we have some defenders on the way. Dont think anyones blind to the fact we need defenders.
probably because Winter could not find a couple of defenders via the trade route. I don't think that we will be playing our next game without someone new on the back end. They know our back line is piss poor, they will try to get someone.
The transfer window starts today.
I know, but it should have been the first priority and now we've got 4 new players in, none of them defenders, and even traded one away.
Last edited by Davenport; 07-15-2011 at 09:41 AM. Reason: sp.
Has anybody done a list of which players are permanent (relative term I know) and here on loan?
Good...they better get to work !
Youre saying this as if you are certain they are not bringing defenders in a different way from trades ie free agency. Do you know something we dont know?
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It may very well be top priority. Some deals take longer than others to complete. The trades yesterday might just be the first ones across the finish line, or required moves to allow him to obtain the defenders he wants.
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