I throw-up everytime I see St. James.Originally Posted by Alixir
I throw-up everytime I see St. James.
. . . and they're kinda doing their best to piss it all away.
100 per cent increase in ticket prices?
$40m?
I call bullshit...sounds like the same people that are charging the Eaton Centre $28m to update their foodcourt.
I have been told my someone at MLSE that this is in fact true and that there is no chance this is getting done.
And considering the political environment right now in the wake of those "outdoor concert" accidents that have caused injury and death, don't count on anything but a surefire safe option being considered, meaning the more expensive type of roof.
It just aint happenin'.
BTW, it was also confirmed to me that there is a concern over attendance. Yes, teams in the past have survived with much lower attendance, but they weren't spending between $4-5million on salaries. They have hired some damage control. I will be interested in seeing what this damage control is. It's all incredibly stupid in my opinion as it was not necessary at all if it weren't for their own incompetence.
Last edited by Roogsy; 09-04-2011 at 09:34 AM.
I don't really agree with this. THe CSA needed to build a stadium for the u-20 WC and the city was scrambling to get it made. We had multiethnic ground breakings at varsity and York, but never got it done.
MLSE saw the opportunity to step in and 'help' get it done. But really and truly, they were in thearket for an MLS team and this way they could get a stadium half paid for.
As part if the 'help' MLSE got the full naming rights and made back the money that they put into BMO as part of the deal.
So basically, they jumped on a chance to get a stadium for free.
MLSE are many things, benevolent isn't one of them.
Am I the only one who doesn't want a roof?
I like games in the rain. I like games in the hot summer sun. I like being outdoors.
plus you think games are cold in the spring and fall now? Try that without any sun. I used to sit in the west stands and on a Saturday evening game, my seats would be in the shade by about 7:00 - and it got COLD!
A roof really wouldn't be worth the money. Even if it only cost $4million bucks, I could think of better ways to spend it on infrastructure. You know, like making the main concourses rainproof, or putting working drains in the washroom.
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This could be solved with a transparent roof.
Wouldn't that turn into a giant magnifying scope?
yes please........
Agree 100%. A roof would not stop the games being called in rough weather, which is my only problem with the weather at matches.
One of the proposals made in 2003 for a Soccer Specific Stadium had a roof on the west side.
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A roof would amplify the sound coming from the south end massively. cover from the weather and the direct sun from time to time is simply a bonus.
We' ve had this debate a million times across multiple threads.
It is at a point where at games I look around and daydream about what the stadium should look like.
Make the west side curl around, join the east and south end (The plumbing and metal bracing is there already) is the least they could do.
This. It should certainly be important to any atmosphere contributing fans that we get a roof so we can MASSIVELY improve the atmosphere. Also, I'm sick of thousands of people staying home when it rains. And personally, I don't think our stadium LOOKS like a football stadium. Maybe "the other kind of football" stadium. A high school version.
I always thought the number one reason for wanting a roof was sound....
Actually, I can't think of any other reason I'd want to have one. I love the singing in the rain but would trade it for the roof in a second.
40 million is a ridiculous price for just a roof.
In some places there were built whole stadiums, including roof, about the same capacity than BMO for that price!
Due respect, but are you a structural engineer? If you are then I might put stock in your assertion that the quoted price is way off.
Remember this stadium has already been built. It would definitely be easier and without a doubt cheaper to integrate a roof structure into a new stadium off the drawing board but that is not the reality as i see it.
well noise is are main reason most supporters want a roof.....but putting roofs around all the stands and filling in corners with more seats and a roof could also keep the wind out a bit, we must have the windest stadium in MLS. Also many fans dont show up for rain games, it could help keeping fans coming to BMO field no matter what the weather. Also the stadium would just plain out look bigger and look more inpressive to the eye. People even just driving by the QEW might cath there eye, make them curious to waht stadium is that and go check it out.
nobody has mentioned that roofs cause problems with the surface. 4 roofs over BMO would create issues with the grass because it would reduce sun exposure. We get pretty bad winters that kill grass and very wet springs and cool temps that with even more reduced sunlight would be harder to drain. The proximity of the stands to the field are another issue because roofs could keep the sun off the surface for most of the season. Perhaps the best roofing solution to BMO would be not to roof the west stand where the bulk of the sun gets on the grass however not covering your highest paying seats could be another issue.
And I thought everyone was apalled at increased ticket prices, bad product on the field, now they are crying about the Stadium, good lord If I want my ticket prices to go through the "ROOF" no pun intended, I want better play on the field, not a fucking roof.
We were bitching about a roof over the south end long before people bitched about ticket prices and better onfield product.
I'm coming from a standpoint that this is our NATIONAL stadium, the pinnacle of the sport in this country. Not just the home of MLS team Toronto FC.
I was recently at Brighton Hove Albions new ground, 22,400 capacity. nad it looks like apiece of art compared to our tin can. I would assume that the ground will be imporved over time, as the sport grows and our national and club sidess have better success.
We get FAR more sun then brighton does, and they have a fantastic roof.
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Oh well, guess we're stuck with our shit stadium. We're not the first club to have an embarrassing stadium, so I guess I can learn to live with it. It's just a shame, really. We're not exactly a poor club, and yet teams with far less money in our league have far superior stadiums - and with roofs (the way a football stadium SHOULD look - in my opinion). But I guess the way they fucked up the stadium made it impossible to put a roof on there for less than 40 million bucks. Seems a bit silly to me, but anything is possible with these clowns running the show.
revisionist history there me thinks.
The stadium was built for the Under 20 World Cup and to be the national soccer stadium for the CSA. MLSE then jumped on with money and the promise of a new MLS franchise.
With the government involved you were never going to get much more than a bare bones stadium. And without th stadium being committed to there might never have been a TFC existing in the first place.
And other than a roof or three I am for the most part pretty satisfied with BMO. It is not supposed to be Stamford fucking Bridge people! It does not need a day spa to be be a good enough soccer stadium. Yes it can be better, but it is good enough.
Fair enough, MLSE did not build the stadium, but I'm lumping MLSE in with the city when it comes to building/maintaining/improving the overall look and experience of the stadium. I understand that there are many people who are quite satisfied with the stadium as it is right now, or who would be satisfied with a few changes. I'm not one of them. The stadium is just very odd and I'm disappointed that we'll likely never have a proper stadium to call home - especially with other teams building real beauties.
I'm okay with not having Stamford Bridge as our home. But at least make it LOOK like a football stadium.
I'm sure that's a massive concern for SKC fans. There are hotspots all over the stadium and some of them have close to spontaneously combust.
TFC is only 5 years old. As long as MLS continues to grow, it will all come with time.
Last edited by PopePouri; 09-07-2011 at 11:44 AM.
I could care less what the stadium looks like. I care about what's on the pitch, not what's around it.
Very true. What's ON the pitch is definitely far more important than what is OFF the pitch. Still won't stop me, and others, from wishing we had a nicer stadium. Maybe some day. One dare dream a dream!
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