Today's News,Wednesday,Jun.22
21000 at the seatle match???
dont think so
Paper numbers. What a joke.
I had to miss the game, so I cannot comment on how many appeared to be in the stands....Originally Posted by London
If the table in the article is correct, then TFC apparently has nearly 1,000 less fans at home games this year, than they did last year.
If one assumes an average ticket price of $20 that is $20,000 less in gross ticket revenue per game, not to mention the knock-on of a drop in gross revenue from concessions/beer/merchandise sales at the pitch. [I have noticed that the beer and concession lines take less time this year than last (but that is a highly subjective opinion).]
Apply that reduction in gross revenue at the pitch across the entire home schedule and the team's bottom line will obviously suffer.
While the bottom line is far lower this season one must take into account that no NA franchise needs a sellout crowd, or to sellout of merch and beer to turn a profit. Even if that STH waiting list is half phony and now dried up most tickets were purchased this year.
I know we want to think that the drop in demand has our team shaking in their boots, ready to give us anything we want but I don't hear them "suffering" yet. One year does not a panic make in this league. See Dallas, Columbus, Colorado. And some of those are winning teams.
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To MLSE, one year can create a panic. Look at the situation with the Raptors, cutting prices to try and bring back fans. They look at continuous growth. I'd be surprised if they were not concerned about the "atmosphere" that they sell TFC with - it has been absent for a few weeks now.
This year, it seems to me that pretty much every game has overstated attendance by at least 20%. I'm starting to wonder what they use for attendance, actual gate numbers, sales, whether they include freebies, and so on. Other than the LA game, nothing has even appeared to be close to a sell out this year.
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Yikes...looks like we're missing AT LEAST 4 starters for Saturday...and with Gordon out we've got no chance of scoring.....
From my vantage point in 119, that number sounds fairly accurate. Once the fans settled into their seats about 20 minutes into the match, I didn't notice nearly as many empty seats as usual this season.
Last edited by ManUtd4ever; 06-22-2011 at 07:53 AM.
Their original business model was based on average crowds of about 12-13,000. So the last five years and being able to double ticket prices have been gravy. I don't think they are worried at all.
I use to think they simply announced paid attendance.
But earlier in the year they announced a really low number for a game. And a few days later a news article came out where they claimed that they announce turnstile counts, not paid attendance.
So now I don't really know what to believe.
What I do know is that the numbers they announce and the actual number of people in the stands never appear to match.
MLSE, is in store for such an amazing shock when they see the real attendance numbers...
I'm sure they already know though.
I gotta say - I have had the same experience this year...
The beer line, and (which is related I guess) the mens washroom line have been much much much shorter / quicker this season...
The LA Saturday night match was like a throw back to the "way it used to be" as it took the entire halftime to line up for the washroom, get a beer, and be back in my seat - just as the half was starting...
Most other games, I do the exact same routine, only now I am back in my seats with 7mins-5mins still on the clock counting down at the half...
Is it exact science, no - but I think it says alot...
Carts...
"...Money wasn't tight, but it like, it wasn't right..."
I dunno man.... it was probably the fullest game since the season opener.
ALL of the east stands were packed, and the west was pretty full too.
Sure it might not have been a real 'sellout' but it was much more packed than the last few games.
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I'd put the Seattle game at around 19-20,000. A good indication of seats sold is the number of bums on seats in the North stand and 226/227 and all were pretty full (compared the past few matches).
Now, this was the Fathers' Day weekend - likely lots of Dads "treated" (yeah) to a day at the match. Also those fair weather fans who check the forecast before coming out were out in force (Toronto til it rains,Toronto til it rains, I know I am I'm sure I am Toronto til it rains).
But there were plenty of gaps in 115 and in 114 most sat down for the whole game.
Sure ain't what it used to be...
CV2 has really grown up. Not annoying any more.
I'm sure some of that has to do with the crappy schedule and weather we had to open the season. I'm sure both attendance and beer sales would have improved if the scheduling and weather had been better.
Not only do they look at continuous growth, they count on it. Even if revenues were to remain flat, it would be a disappointment, let alone if revenues actually declined. (Which I assume is the case since there is less attendance, less concessions and of course, they are now broadcasting games on GolTV.) I can't quantify how much less revenue they are generating but considering the very tight margins MLSE has on TFC in general, I wouldn't be surprised if this year the team is in the red.
It's not gravy because they adjust their projections accordingly. It was gravy for year 1 and maybe 2 but beyond that, they are now expectations. Expenditures like the grass and the academy are based on NEW projections, not 2007 projections.
but I thought Edu paid for that......
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The word I got from a reliable bird said he paid for about $2M of the grass.but I thought Edu paid for that......
Bitchy?
C'mon Canada, stick it to those limey bastards!
just had relative over from u.k.he has supported coventry city for 60 years.he has seen the good ,bad,and ugly from his team.europe to relegation ,good teams and bad.selling players to survive.everything in between.took him to seattle game.loved the atmosphere,amazed that tfc had crowds at 20.000(cov. city ave 15,000)ticket cost 12 pound($18 )they are in championship league.HE HOPES THAT ONE DAY WE HAVE A TEAM WORTH SUPPORTING,he felt that the quality on offer was equivalent to blue square.
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