Owen Hargreaves

**brad** · 09-22-2011, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by TorontoPat

I'd play for Canada. Isn't playing in the EPL enough exposure? Playing for Canada would have been the correct decision if you consider yourself Canadian.

I believe he committed himself to England at the U20 level (which at the time committed you to the senior level as well) before breaking into Bayern's first team.

Edit: he made a sub appearance for Bayern shortly before England and his full Bayern debut a few weeks later.

**FIAF** · 09-22-2011, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Brooker

I never said people can't play for who they want. I have no clue why you quoted my post considering you didn't even touch on anything I said. All you did was drag the conversation back to the very beginning without going into any detail other than "People play for who they want. Canada sucks. That's the reality."

Sure! Play for whoever the fuck you want! My point was that they shouldn't drain our resources, waste our time and money, only to bail on us at the last minute. If you don't want to play for Canada, fuck off!

Welcome to the board.

The "pieces of shit" comment seemed to imply it was like murder or something...something that shouldn't done...I dunno man. Bit too harsh, brah.

Thanks.

**vergilg** · 09-23-2011, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Fort York Redcoat

oh my aching head.

How about this ENORmous grass roots interest turn up for Canada games. The CSA is improving their approach to getting people out with a minimal marketing budget so they can overpay people like Morace to get our teams the best guidance. The recent failure in raising interest in the Women's side will be felt for a while I'm afraid and we'll have Hart for at least this cycle. Let's keep in mind that by the next World cup the CSA will be overhauling their cracked system completely.

If you're going to propose more radical change let's hear it.

"proper infrastructure" isn't very specific.

The size of the crowds at soccer games is in direct correlation to the level of competition. For example, here in Ottawa we have great PDL and CSL teams but crowds are a few hundred at most. Next, they want to bring an NASL franchise. Like in Montreal and Toronto, the crowds for those games will be in the low thousands.

My point is, if you want to draw big interest and media go for the top - MLS. That's the top league in North Am.

**Fushida** · 09-23-2011, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by vergilg

The size of the crowds at soccer games is in direct correlation to the level of competition. For example, here in Ottawa we have great PDL and CSL teams but crowds are a few hundred at most. Next, they want to bring an NASL franchise. Like in Montreal and Toronto, the crowds for those games will be in the low thousands.

My point is, if you want to draw big interest and media go for the top - MLS. That's the top league in North Am.

what are you talking about?

**nobodybeatsthewiz** · 09-23-2011, 09:05 AM

pretty classless taking not so subtle pot shots at his former clubs training. he should just move on with his career.

**TFCRegina** · 09-26-2011, 10:43 AM

FYI: Joseph DiChara, a player who has never received a Canadian youth call up and plays in the Russian Premier League, has accepted an offer to play for Canada in October.

Look, a player who knows you don't have to play for every or any youth squad to play for the Senior National team.

**Waggy** · 09-26-2011, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by TFCRegina

FYI: Joseph DiChara, a player who has never received a Canadian youth call up and plays in the Russian Premier League, has accepted an offer to play for Canada in October.

Look, a player who knows you don't have to play for every or any youth squad to play for the Senior National team.

He didn't play for anyone elses youth program. He also grew up here. Not a comparable to Hargreaves

**TFCRegina** · 09-26-2011, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Waggy

He didn't play for anyone elses youth program. He also grew up here. Not a comparable to Hargreaves

You're right, he didn't play for Wales' youth program and jump to another country right after that.

Although Hargreaves did grow up in Canada, and spent the last years of his childhood in Germany. Neither of which are in the country he chose to play for.

**Oblio2** · 09-26-2011, 12:20 PM

The current squad (according to Wikipedia) has the follwing players, who were NOT from Canada

Milan Borjan - GK-Serbian
Mike Kluwkowski - D -Austrian
Simeon Jackson - F- Jamaica
Ian Hume- F- Scotland

Haidar Al-Shabiani - GK-Algeria
Jacovic -D-Serbia
Pacheco - M-Portugal

Seems we are happy to accept others but when a player does the same to us, we vilify the guy for the rest of his life?

**DichioTFC** · 09-26-2011, 12:25 PM

^ Truth. CMNT supporters have a double standard.

**Yohan** · 09-26-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Oblio2

The current squad (according to Wikipedia) has the follwing players, who were NOT from Canada

Milan Borjan - GK-Serbian
Mike Kluwkowski - D -Austrian
Simeon Jackson - F- Jamaica
Ian Hume- F- Scotland

Haidar Al-Shabiani - GK-Algeria
Jacovic -D-Serbia
Pacheco - M-Portugal

Seems we are happy to accept others but when a player does the same to us, we vilify the guy for the rest of his life?

Most of those guys grew up in Canada through childhood and teen years at least.

We are crucifying Hargreaves for the manner which he rejected Canada and chose to play for England.

**Oldtimer** · 09-26-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Yohan

Most of those guys grew up in Canada through childhood and teen years at least.

We are crucifying Hargreaves for the manner which he rejected Canada and chose to play for England.

That's the point. He learned his game here, but used his dad's passport for greater career possibilities. in addition, his example made it possible for others to think of doing the same.

**Whoop** · 09-26-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Yohan

Most of those guys grew up in Canada through childhood and teen years at least.

We are crucifying Hargreaves for the manner which he rejected Canada and chose to play for England.

Originally Posted by Oldtimer

That's the point. He learned his game here, but used his dad's passport for greater career possibilities. in addition, his example made it possible for others to think of doing the same.

These.

**uncle p** · 09-26-2011, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Oblio2

The current squad (according to Wikipedia) has the follwing players, who were NOT from Canada

Milan Borjan - GK-Serbian
Mike Kluwkowski - D -Austrian
Simeon Jackson - F- Jamaica
Ian Hume- F- Scotland

Haidar Al-Shabiani - GK-Algeria
Jacovic -D-Serbia
Pacheco - M-Portugal

Seems we are happy to accept others but when a player does the same to us, we vilify the guy for the rest of his life?

This isnt exactly a fair example. Im not any of the above mentioned nationalities, so I dont really care who they turn their back's on. I'm a proud Canadian upset at another Canadian who chose not to play for (and represent) Canada.

**TFCRegina** · 09-26-2011, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by DichioTFC

^ Truth. CMNT supporters have a double standard.

It'd be a double standard if any of those players had grown up in the country they're listed under.

Every single one of them was raised in Canada and developed in the Canadian system.

**TFCtoMUFC** · 09-26-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Oblio2

The current squad (according to Wikipedia) has the follwing players, who were NOT from Canada

Milan Borjan - GK-Serbian
Mike Kluwkowski - D -Austrian
Simeon Jackson - F- Jamaica
Ian Hume- F- Scotland

Haidar Al-Shabiani - GK-Algeria
Jacovic -D-Serbia
Pacheco - M-Portugal

Seems we are happy to accept others but when a player does the same to us, we vilify the guy for the rest of his life?

None of those players would crack their respective "other" national teams. Hargreaves rejected us, those players would be rejected by their teams. Not the same.

**Waggy** · 09-26-2011, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by TFCRegina

You're right, he didn't play for Wales' youth program and jump to another country right after that.

Although Hargreaves did grow up in Canada, and spent the last years of his childhood in Germany. Neither of which are in the country he chose to play for.

I wasn't comenting on that particular traitors history. I'm referring to the kid you are talking about. If he did play for another countries youth team then I'd be more than happy to tell him to go fuck himself. International competition is the best from country a vs the best from country b. Not the best from country a, plus the guys who couldn't make country b vs the best from country b plus the ones who couldn't make country c. Or some glory chasing piece of donkey trash who "Just wants to play in the world cup". What about playing for the world cup for YOUR country, isnt that the point?

**Relja** · 09-26-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by TFCtoMUFC

None of those players would crack their respective "other" national teams. Hargreaves rejected us, those players would be rejected by their teams. Not the same.

Borjan I think could have possibly made the serbian goalkeeper position. After the Stojkovic fiasco the spot is still being passed around to various domestic Serbian goalkeepers. Only problem is I havent seen a good serbian goalkeeper in a long time.

**brad** · 09-26-2011, 04:43 PM

Pretty much all football supporters have a double standard, it comes with the territory IMHO.

**TorontoPat** · 09-26-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by brad

Pretty much all football supporters have a double standard, it comes with the territory IMHO.

There is a double standard with everything. Any country will accept a traitor if he brings secrets/ info, etc.

**MartinUtd** · 09-26-2011, 09:08 PM

Looks like you guys wrapped this up rather conclusively.

Any chance the OH thread can die now? I'd actually rather be talking about the DeRo trade.

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