This is a good point.Originally Posted by mastermixer
A lot of us talk about there needing to be a drop in prices. But these guys are so arrogant that I think they believe they can keep the prices the same and winning alone would bring fans back.
Although who even knows when this team will be more competitive?
I am kinda happy that these guys tweeted that...maybe it will get back to MLSE about how comical this team is. But then again MLSE have thick skin so they'll just let it roll like water off a ducks back. You gotta have thick skin when every team you own is horse fecal matter.
See Beirne's response to this?
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7 Jun
Hahahaha. All is well in TFC land.
To be fair, there is some truth to that. Winning teams always bring in casual fans and bandwagon jumpers.
The issue I have is that counting on a team winning as the key to your revenue is crazy because most teams finish out of first place more than they do in it. And in TFC's case, I do not think just slightly above a .500 record is going to bring in tons of fans. If TFC is counting on winning for revenue, well, whoever signed off on that business plan is nuts - or whoever sold the plan is awesome!
Actually he's right. TFC bought a spark that was desperately needed in MLS. Some may agrue and say TFC did more for MLS than Beckham has so far. A lot of newer teams coming in MLS are looking at TFC and see how they got it right. Philly, Seattle and even Vancouver had some sort help from TFC FO.
Perhaps I used the wrong word "saved". There is no denying this league was stagnant, especially from a supporter standpoint, before TFC came into this league. If toronto came in and was just another team with 12 or 13,000 people showing up every week sitting on their hands then what I'm saying is the "domino" effect of seattle and philly and portland, vancouver probably would have ever happened. Part of the reason those teams wanted in was because of the way the supporters in this city brought it up another notch. I'm not even giving mlse credit but they do deserve some. Everything from where bmo was built to rpb and u sector and nee and a bunch of other things deserve credit but to say this league would be in this position without this team getting the ball rolliing is completely wrong.
Back to shitting on everything TFC now....
I can certainly agree with this sentiment, but it wasn't by design on the part of MLSE. In a sense, it was the TFC supporters that raised the bar in MLS after the inception of the franchise despite the lacklustre efforts of MLSE.
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i bet they do to. But when your hard core fans arent even buying tickets like many rpbs and usec are starting to do now you are in some deep shit in the near future. If they dont lower prices next year there will be a huge drop off in ticket sales, and everyone probably knows this except for MLSE FO!!!
It's pretty much what they did, they just went with a different consultant (and didn't call it that, but it's pretty much what it looks like, First Wave instead of Soccer Solutions).
And we're still just hoping this works out, it may not and we'll back to square one.
The fo is still banking on a winning team will bring bums back on seatsi bet they do to. But when your hard core fans arent even buying tickets like many rpbs and usec are starting to do now you are in some deep shit in the near future. If they dont lower prices next year there will be a huge drop off in ticket sales, and everyone probably knows this except for MLSE FO!!!
Years have gone by and Ive finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: A pretty move, for the love of God.
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I dont give a damn which team or country performs it.
-Eduardo Galeano
I'm glad Mr Beirne is aware of this. He must know he needs to fix this image of TFC quick.
It will, but they'll come out to a flagless not so rowdy atmosphere cause MLSE ran the loyals out of town...and then find out they really don't like soccer as much as they thought.
Pessimism, it's what's for lunch.
I think technically we have to wait until they fail to make the playoffs this year. Then I believe they will be the only team to not make the playoffs in 5 years. I will be sending the largest wooden spoon I can find to Anselmi, engraved with my congratulations on being Major league Soccer's biggest EVER loser.
Where it gets intersting is if you think they are likely to make the playoffs anytime in the next 5 years, or if you think Vancouver or Montreal wont make the playoffs in under 5 and counting.
It's not TFC fans that should be attending games with brown bags on their heads, it the MLSE management team that should be wearing them.
MLSE did do a few things id give them credit for.
1) The team name and badge and jersey was the best thing they ever did. They didnt follow the USA typical sport name like the Lions or dragons shit and they made the badge and name look very English, giving fans a sense that this team was going to be a propperly pro team.
2) the scarfs that came with season packages was well done, it did help build the atmsohpere at the beginning of games, something new in MLS at the time. Made me think of games youd see at Liverpool or Celtic.
3) MLSE helped make BMO a bit more like Euro stadiums with the white seats creatting a maple leaf and the words Toronto and BMO, it gave you a feelling like it was a real stadium just for Toronto FC.
4) ticket prices were well done in the first season, and made the cheapest seats behind the goals to help make the supporters section possible for groups to get organized in that section.
5) advertising in year 1 was good if anyone can remember them, i remember the commercial with Jimmy B headding the ball all the way through it. They were clean and easy, but at same time not jumping down your throat like the commercials that followed in the later years with BMO selling the fans as if we were some sort of warriors
6) Handing out those coushins which i thot was stupid at first turned out to be a great decision and sure created one of TFC best memory. Was greate on TV and great pictures in the papper of it. When people saw that they just thot TFC fans were mad.
7) Having those 2 giant TFC banners we use to pass around the stadium was quite cool at the time, before supporters even had time to organize our own tifos it made it feel more like you were in a europe stadium and it really got the fans into, some had never seen things like that before.
8) got real grass!
however thats probably just about it, it was mainly all in year 1, after year 1 i dont know what the fuck happened. Seems as if the FO did everything wrong after that point and ticket price increase vs shit quality on the field was the worst of them all. The FO seemed to even start fighting against the supporters something that created the team. The supporter groups were created without MLSE. The singing, chanting, tifos, flag waving, marching to the stadium, streammer throwing was all done with no help from MLSE. The only positive thing they did was let us bring flags, streammers and giant banners into the stadium, something they dont even seem to let us do that these days.
Now i think new teams look at what Seattle does to attract fans, how to work with fans and create that hype. New teams probably just hold Toronto up as a model on what not to do to scare fans away and fuck it all up.
I will wholeheartedly agree with this. TFC did start off on the correct footing and then proceeded to shoot themselves in the foot with each subsequent step (and season).
I just go the games to have fun and have a good time, enjoying a few beers and the footy. At the end of the day, I can't control what happens on the pitch and to tell you the truth it really is not my concern who they sign and don't, it truely is our choice to be there and if we decide, just don't show up.
Sports is a fun time out and that is what it is suppose to be, the only way you can get involved in the change is to get a job with the MLSE and make your moves. Having done that is the past, working for two profesional football teams of the american variety, I know how much ego drives certain people and it is not pretty at times, good people get caught in the fire and take unwarranted crap.
Sports is what we make out of it, I really sometime wonder why people get so heated up over something they truely do not control. I guess it is letting a bit of steam, but have fun, because if you are not, whats the point.
Remember The Man, The Legend, The Goal 5-12-07 and All That #9 Left On The Pitch, Thanks For The Memories !!!
You see our bad reputation growing, I see a baseball columnist and Lalas talking and take that for what it's worth.Actually, it was not Alexi Lalas. It was a baseball columnist for ESPN News responding to him. That's how far our reputation as a crap team has traveled.
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If it was just about "having fun" then there would be no empty seats at any sporting event ever. Unfortunately people like myself are emotionally involved with this team and want to see success on the field.
Are they really loyals then?It will, but they'll come out to a flagless not so rowdy atmosphere cause MLSE ran the loyals out of town...and then find out they really don't like soccer as much as they thought.
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Thanks, this needed to be said.
^^ Well said. Life's too short to rag on a faceless corporate entity 24/7.
I'm quoting this. For as much FO crap I've gotten lately, I was so happy how all of us in 110 brought it last Saturday. I lost myself in all the bullshit and just supported. Am I happy with a lot of stuff that going on with TFC in general right now? The 2 stick Saturday spoke for itself. But I'm not going to just say "Fuck it Dude, let's go bowling." and stop showing up and supporting.
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Hopes never dead until the gates of BMO are closed and barred
until the grass rots and dies
until the #9 peels off the wall of honour
and until the sound of wrecking balls are heard not too far in the distance
until that day we cannot give up, or else that day will come
TFC until I die
And I'm quoting this (as someone who was at the top of 110 last weekend, trying to "bring it").
For TBaby, RPBKatie, and I, the trips up to see games live have gotten to the point of "we're in this to see our friends, to keep in touch, and to have a good time." We've seen one halfway decent game this season (the home opener). The rest have ranged from deathly boring (v KC) to outright awful (v DC).
If it was about coming out to watch the team play good footy and do something that people might aspire to do... then we'd have stopped coming up long ago. After all, for the three of us to come, it's really quite an expensive weekend. Very.
Next time out, where will we be? Likely not 112... more likely in 110 again.
What The Hell?
Ok guys, what the hell is going on here?? We sit here on a TFC supporters forum and bitch and complain about how bad our team is. This is supposed to be a place where we can come and talk about how we think we could make the team better.
All I am seeing here is people whine and cry abuot how we dont make the play-offs year after year. Who gives a flying F...I love going to the game and cheering on the boys. I love the excitement that I feel everytime I turn on the TV at home. I love the passion of the people standing out in the rain when the ref has walked off the field, I love sneaking out in to the dining room at my resturant just to grab a peek at the TV to see if my team is doing well. I crank up the RED CITY RAMBLERS on the way to every game. AND i cheer.. wether frei has made the save or not.
Some of you call yourself a supporter??? come on.. get a grip and stand up with the team or walk away and let me buy your seasons tickets.
Thats my 2 cents and if you have a diffrent opinion then please see me at the tail gate and I will tell you even more how I feel about some of you "SUPPORTERS"
It's not just the fact we haven't made the playoffs, in actuality that has little to do with it. It's the fact they've taken their customers for granted, have marketed them and then charged them more, and lead us to believe that this would be our team with some real input while merely feeding us crumbs and generally ignoring our real concerns.Ok guys, what the hell is going on here?? We sit here on a TFC supporters forum and bitch and complain about how bad our team is. This is supposed to be a place where we can come and talk about how we think we could make the team better.
All I am seeing here is people whine and cry abuot how we dont make the play-offs year after year. Who gives a flying F...I love going to the game and cheering on the boys. I love the excitement that I feel everytime I turn on the TV at home. I love the passion of the people standing out in the rain when the ref has walked off the field, I love sneaking out in to the dining room at my resturant just to grab a peek at the TV to see if my team is doing well. I crank up the RED CITY RAMBLERS on the way to every game. AND i cheer.. wether frei has made the save or not.
Some of you call yourself a supporter??? come on.. get a grip and stand up with the team or walk away and let me buy your seasons tickets.
Thats my 2 cents and if you have a diffrent opinion then please see me at the tail gate and I will tell you even more how I feel about some of you "SUPPORTERS"
They took a beautiful thing that could have made them money for years and completely fucked it up in less than 5 years. It boggles the mind sometimes......
I'll tell you a thing or two about how i feel about some "enablers" wrapped up in the disguise of a supporter.
While you make some good points here I have to challenge your calling out the enabler supporter that seemingly is to blame for FO status quo. The attitude that all is well in respect to club and support is so far gone that I can't believe those in charge are deluded enough to think nothing's wrong. It's more an issue of how much time they will get to try and make it right.
The aspect of real input is a bigger stretch then what has been offered here before. Having sitdowns with clubs(franchises) here is a long way from input in, for example, Italy and we have to do a lot more to prove how different we are from the "fans" that are the owners real priority- The corporate boxes and typical high range price but low range interest N.A. fan.
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People are more frustrated, and rightly so, with the reasons behind why we don't make the playoffs - not that we don't make the playoffs.Ok guys, what the hell is going on here?? We sit here on a TFC supporters forum and bitch and complain about how bad our team is. This is supposed to be a place where we can come and talk about how we think we could make the team better.
All I am seeing here is people whine and cry abuot how we dont make the play-offs year after year. Who gives a flying F...I love going to the game and cheering on the boys. I love the excitement that I feel everytime I turn on the TV at home. I love the passion of the people standing out in the rain when the ref has walked off the field, I love sneaking out in to the dining room at my resturant just to grab a peek at the TV to see if my team is doing well. I crank up the RED CITY RAMBLERS on the way to every game. AND i cheer.. wether frei has made the save or not.
Some of you call yourself a supporter??? come on.. get a grip and stand up with the team or walk away and let me buy your seasons tickets.
Thats my 2 cents and if you have a diffrent opinion then please see me at the tail gate and I will tell you even more how I feel about some of you "SUPPORTERS"
While we're at it: a forum, by its definition, is a meeting place where ideas are exchanged - not for a lecture on what constitutes "real support" (which, by the way, isn't just about having all the accessories and following the crowd). So leave the high horse at the door in future.
There's a good lad.
^This is great to hear and a minority on this board.
^This can definitely be left out next time but don't let this be your last .02Some of you call yourself a supporter??? come on.. get a grip and stand up with the team or walk away and let me buy your seasons tickets.
Thats my 2 cents and if you have a diffrent opinion then please see me at the tail gate and I will tell you even more how I feel about some of you "SUPPORTERS"
FORMER FULL TIME KOOL-AID DRINKER
Hi there !!
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To give a quick summary:
Toronto FC entered MLS at the perfect time.
This city was ready for the sport, and the league needed a 'model fanbase' like ours.
We (the collective support) showed the league how things could be, and they
took the best parts and applied it to new franchises. I honestly believe that
if TFC hadn't worked out so well, that Seattle, Philly, Portland wouldn't be where they are.
We showed the league (and sports media - advertisers) that FOOTBALL was a real force.
Sadly, our owners have no idea how to run a winning (or even competent) team,
so now the dark stain of our shitty record has tainted our reputation.
Toronto FC was the spark that lit the way for this new era of MLS.
Sadly, we still haven't been able to cook anything over that fire.
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"get a grip and stand up with the team or walk away and let me buy your seasons tickets"????? LOL!
That's EXACTLY the type of "supporter" MLSE wants....somebody who'll leave his brain behind, come to the game no matter how bad the team is, and no matter how expensive it is.....no thanks mate...
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