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Welcome to the club. While I'm optimistic about TFC's future with Winter at the helm for now, I've also made the conscious choice not to spend any more money on tickets or concessions for now.Originally Posted by 117
It's going to take more than a hopeful change of direction to earn my money again.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
Honestly Scott, I really want to be in your boat. I want to feel good about this team again. I really want to know: What exactly makes you "optimistic" about this team?
Borga:
It's not about abandoning the team- we all love the team. What you're seeing is 5 years of frustration summed up by a humiliating defeat on our home pitch by a second year squad.
Everyone will be there if/when this club turns it around, but you can't be a supporter of this team and take a 6-2 home loss in stride. You just can't.
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You don't think perhaps the second season was a bit early to jump ship?
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
Again with this "good teams aren't built in a few months" argument. Um yeah they are. And if any fanbase deserved an all-out effort to build a good team quickly as opposed to slowly, it was Toronto FC fans. If a capable team cannot be built in a few months, how much time is actually needed so that we can finally put some expectations on the table?
nothing could be as miserable as an argos game. even if we lose this bad
Excellent post. I can certainly empathize based on all of your concerns. I share your pain and frustration along with everyone else.
I will continue to support the club regardless of the results this season because I'm in this for the long haul. I have drastically cut back spending on merchandise compared to the first few seasons, but I will renew my seasons tickets because having a professional football club to support in Toronto was a dream come true. Unfortunately, MLSE has tested my patience with the issues off the pitch, but I'm willing to give the new management regime time to do things right on the pitch.
I sincerely hope that Winter and Mariner will be able to improve the club this season sufficiently enough to convince you and other likeminded supporters not to throw in the towel yet.
Haha. I hope not!
I should also point out that I've paid to attend over 500 Blue Jays games in the past 18 miserable years, and still go to 15-20 a year.
I don't demand instant success, nor annual championship parades. I just need to feel that me and my wallet are not being made a fool of.
It is this dream that still keeps me around and forces me to keep the remaining tickets I have not given up. Everything else has been ruined for me and I am in the same boat as you are and have taken my spending down to almost zero on everything except the actual tickets, even though I would like to buy the new jerseys and kit my newborn son in everything TFC, I refuse to do so. Because I refuse to contribute to the MLSE belief that fans will continue buying and spending regardless of the product they put in front of us, regardless of the sport. But the last thing I will ever be able to do is give up my remaining tickets. There is a small, faint glimmer of hope that one day the soccer gods will bless us finally and get rid of the failing element within TFC.
At the end of the day i'm still born and raised in Toronto. What else can I do?
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It's no one thing - occasionally the team has runs of play where you can see signs of what Winter has been preaching seeping in. You can see the talent of guys he has brought on board like Plata and Ecks.
It's nothing more than optimism right now, because I think it's going to take time to truly assess whether Winter's vision is taking hold, or looking like the right path for this team.
My position from day one has been that all I want to see from Winter this year, is clear evidence of progression in the way we play, and the new players we are bringing onboard. The results for me this season, are secondary.
I try to keep that outlook immune from the emotional responses I may have after games like today, and keep an even keel. We played a solid game in Colorado the other day, and we played an abysmal game today at home. I wasn't effusive with my praise then, and I'm not raging now. This season for me is less about results, and more about the process.
That said, I understand that not everyone sees it this way. Negativity towards this team is warranted. It's all reading tea leaves right now, so there are multiple ways of looking at the state of the club.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
the support are looking for the improvement we were promised 13 games in can anyone say we have improvement
I have never been to a game in toronto but have travelled to boston to see the team play as I am from the maritimes.I got home at half time to turn on the tv to a 3-0 score .I thought there might be hope as the team scored 2 quick goals.Only to see our porous defence give up 2 more goals.I hope the front office has a plan for the summer transfer when it opens up as I believe the fan support is going to leave .As I watch the games on TV it is very evident that the crowds are getting smaller.I keep thinking of planning a trip to BMO field to see a game and then we get another performance like this.We have players that need to be dropped or put on the bench.Our core is not that deep and Winter has a big job to do to turn this team around.I am glad that they play New England mid week this year as I won`t be making the trip.Just when you think they might start putting something together it falls apart.Some decisions have to be made by this coaching staff and front office .We got hammered by Vancouver in the first game and today by a second year team.It scares me to think what Portland is going to on their home field
What's with all the negativity? You guys are acting like a 2nd year club just humilated us at home. Or like traded our best player in franchise history to NY for a bag of peanuts. Or like we released our top prospect to make some kind of asinine point. C'mon guys, its not as if losses are increasing while talent is decreasing. We're on the right track now.
At this point, I don't think it's if, but when. There will be new players this summer, I will guarantee a mortgage payment on that. The question really is, will they be the right ones? Or will we be seeing more "Mista" signings? Mariner promised us the goals would come from "elsewhere". What is obvious is that not only are the goals not coming from elsewhere, we are expending so much energy in trying to score with what little we have, we are now exposing our backline as well. If anyone thinks that a 6-2 scoreline falls entirely on the shoulders of two of the least paid players, (Harden and Gargan) you have got to be kidding yourselves.
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Roogsy? Is that you? Give CB back his computer.
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You'll need to cut holes for yours eyes and mouth.
Good idea, I hate them. I was just responding to 2 deluded souls who think the current Manure team is great.
A good team hasn't been built here in 5 years FFS and it's NOT okay.
LOL... fortress BMO... sorry all I have left is to laugh....
New York were horrible a couple seasons back, woeful team with nothing good happening, much like TFC are today, then became a contender in one season. This is MLS where a shit team and a good team are one or two players apart. TFC needs to get rid of JDG. The club plays much better without him, the midfield plays more aggressive, more offense minded. With him on the pitch the whole team appears disorganized with poor formation and tactics, and are very easy to beat. Replace him with a decent goal scoring threat and the club will turn around in a hurry. You don't need a dozen great players, just a few, again, remember, this is MLS. Having said this, I left the game at the half it was unwatchable and I did not want to miss watching Messi prove he is the best player of all time.
Don't tell people around here about New York being a good example. They won't believe it. Hans Backe had almost exactly the same amount of time as Winter has had (in fact 1 day less) and he had his team ready for the first game of the season and they went on a tear immediately at the start of the season and completely turned around their previous woeful season IN WEEKS, not months, not years. For some reason, Toronto fans don't believe this is doable even though others have done it. Instead, around here the growing belief is we need another multi-year plan, that puts a lot of hope on the Academy oh and by the way, we've decided not to keep our best Academy player.
We are now 4 and a half months in, 16 games into the season, plus whatever games were played in pre-season and our backline looks like that? And we have a -10 goal differential? (Which by the way we were already worst in the league but now we have stretched that to an unreachable level.) I am thoroughly confused as to what people are seeing that continues to give them hope. I need to hear it because I honestly want to have that hope as well. I need something to believe in about this team so that I don't completely give up on them.
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Things not looking too rosey eh?
Alright I'll chime in.
I used to be passionate about TFC and would always go out of my way to make sure I watched the matches. On the off chance I did miss one, I'd feel bad. But this year, I honestly, don't feel so bad. It's like I've come to accept TFC is just bad and that little to no progress has been made.
FTR, I don't have seasons and refuse to pay for the ransom packs. Plus w/ my messed up work schedule, I can't even go to games.
I won't be spending another nickel on anything TFC related until I see progress, be it in the Champions League or MLS league itself.
But I won't stop being a fan though.
Flame suit on...
I'm too depressed to come up with any ideas right now....
Toronto till i die
yup...
tommorrows another day......and supporting should be a long and prosperous journey, if people can't handle the lows then they definitely have zero right to the highs. Simply stop going or buying tickets, or is it just the constant complaining everyone is addicted to?..bad game yup but like the fans who were constantly foul mouthed at their heros?...today ....why go then?,..simply enjoy your Man u's Liverpools or whatever......and look for your perfect little soccer bliss,....cause real life is found in the journey
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I think the negativity is a consequence of an appalling 6-2 defeat at home. We are a fifth year club who were embarrassed by a second year team. Plus, we paid over the odds to watch this happen.
You can sing all you want, you can say we're a club in change, but at the end of the day you're as good as your last game. Am I real supporter? Who gives a shit, I've poured a lot of hard earned money in to a team that couldn't give a flying fuck. You can say 'if you don't like it don't come' but too many people won't turn up and the club won't be profitable, thus cease to exist.
I'm an ex-Arsenal season ticket holder, who spent many a year on the road with them so the likes of me don't need lecturing in being a real fan. Trust me.
Just because I don't jump around and spend most of the game with my back to the pitch doesn't mean I care any less. I'm just watching the highlights again on Gol Tv and I genuinely believe there are certain players who don't even deserve the title of 'Professional Football Player'.
Show me evidence of the right 'track' and I'll see the light at the end of the tunnel. Don't mean to pick on you in particular dude but its this blind faith that's led to us being held over a barrel
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