Yeah, I agree, I'm merely taking issue with the "sky is falling" approach. Yeah, feel free to care about it. Feel free to try to do something about it, but don't call me out for not caring about a situation that minimally, if ever, affects my game-day experience.Originally Posted by Pigfynn
Shouldn't tutor kids in that park....it's dangerous
As I said, the idea that there are bigger problems out there doesn't mean that the smaller problems go away. Again if you don't want to do it them don't, I won't think less of you. But many of us will be doing it, cause it needs to be done.
Nor was I saying that it effects everyone's game day experience, just that many people don't want the scalpers there and that scalping is illegal and should be handled as such.
My posts are not useless.. They are well thought out and take issue at people like you that take the whole football experience just a mile to far..
Ya I am correct you take shit way too seriously when it comes to bloody football..
MLS for that matter .. get on with it
So you're saying we should engage them in physical confrontation? I was commenting on Oblio2's scenario and nothing more.
That's fair, I'm not saying that you shouldn't get involved in fixing one problem because there is a bigger one (I mean, who the fuck are reagent park kids compared to child soldiers in africa? Or any number of other attrocities I could mention). Aside from taking issue with the "cancer" word though, in this thread I haven't been arguing against taking some action, I've merely tried to insert some realism into the discussions. That's great that you want to do something about the problem, but what do you propose? And if I try to find fault with your plan, it isn't because I want to "protect the scalpers" it's because I'd rather the plan actually have a chance at success (it's also what I do at work, old habits die hard).Shouldn't tutor kids in that park....it's dangerous
As I said, the idea that there are bigger problems out there doesn't mean that the smaller problems go away. Again if you don't want to do it them don't, I won't think less of you. But many of us will be doing it, cause it needs to be done.
QFT...
And the real question:
Why are the police not doing anything?
Is it really more important to deal with
people enjoying a beer in the parking lot
instead of dealing with organized criminals?
The cops will harass fans having a little pre-drink before the game but these bastards are untouchable.
My posts are not useless.. They are well thought out and take issue at people like you that take the whole football experience just a mile to far..
Ya I am correct you take shit way too seriously when it comes to bloody football..
MLS for that matter .. get on with it
What!??!
You are on a TFC supporters website! This is all about taking all things TFC seriously. If you think I take things too seriously maybe you should start your own "Lenny's message board for moderate thinking TFC and MLS soccer fans"
Because on here you may have to cross paths with the occassional fanatic right?
Perhaps a better question would be if I've ever been involved in one, but I'm not going to bother answering such a question.
Lionel Hutz, appearing for the plaintiff, your honour.
Except that, under the Safe Streets Act, it doesn't matter whether the person being solicited "initiates the altercation" (which, to be honest, is one of the more truly draconian aspects of the SSA):
Section 2.3(1): "Threatening the person solicited with physical harm, by word, gesture or other means, during the solicitation or after the person solicited responds or fails to respond to the solicitation."
Section 2.3(3): "Using abusive language during the solicitation or after the person solicited responds or fails to respond to the solicitation"
A person who "threatens" or "uses abusive language" during or after the solicitation is in violation of the law. The law explicitly ignores the conduct of the person being solicited.
If it were impossible to charge people with trespassing on public property, then I could walk in to the Governor General's house at 3am to use her bathroom and watch her TV. Even though publicly owned, public property is usually subject to "occupation" for the purposes of the Trespass to Property Act
Section 1(b) of the Trespass to Property Act gives the power to deny entry to any premises to the "occupier", who is "a person who has responsibility for and control over the condition of premises or the activities there carried on, or control over persons allowed to enter the premises".
Section 2 makes it illegal for "every person who is not acting under a right or authority conferred by law" to enter premises "without the express permission of the occupier".
Section 3 provides that "entry ... may be prohibited by notice to that effect and entry is prohibited without any notice on premises ... that is enclosed in a manner that indicates the occupier’s intention to keep persons off the premises".
Now, ExPlace is gated, and I'm reasonably sure that there is a sign somewhere at Exhibition Place that says "scalping prohibited", but even if there is not, a person cannot claim a right of entry in order to break the law (i.e. violating the Ticket Speculation Act).
In the second sentence above, you ask "is it the job of the cops to police [the Ticket Speculation Act]"? I can only assume that was a serious question, but I am very confused by your understanding of "the job of the cops". If their job is something other than "enforcing the law by investigating violations and commencing court proceedings against suspected violators", then we have a big problem. Yes, it is the "job of the cops" to enforce the Ticket Speculation Act.
Why should the police enforce one law while ignoring another? Is it the job of the cops to selectively apply the law depending on their personal preferences? Is a scalper "less guilty" because his friend or family member is a cop and the other cops working at BMO have decided not to prosecute?
As to your specific questions about the TSA, I think the police can always write a citation on the spot, but if they do the amount of the fine is limited to $500. The only way to get jail time or a fine above $500 under the POA is by information/offence notice.
Damnn you ..you are right .. I never thought about that..That maybe people who take TFC to seriously are onhere..
shit
U got me
^^ The cancer reference had to do with a bigger issue than scalping (fundamental capitalism and such) that I won't start with here cause it'll hijack the thread. And I tend to be a bit more Soldier than General so while people like yourself will be going the politics route (good luck to you) I'll be making sure any scalper that comes near me knows what a piece of shit he is.
LOL hahaha nice video Parky LMAO... Oh thats a keeper.
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Hey Vox,Lionel Hutz, appearing for the plaintiff, your honour.
I would like to respond to your comments (I actually find discussions of law interesting) but I just want to know: Are you involved (in a professional capacity) in the field of law? If, for example, you're a practicing lawyer, then I'll respectfully bow out (at least in public, I'll still disagree with you privately, but I will have to find specific cases to back my opinion up, or refute it, and that won't happen while I'm at work).
Our tailgates are organized and drinking in public is illegal......does that makes us organized criminals?
This message board is a strange place after a loss....
^^ But there is no context in that Blue
What scalpers do is wrong...what we do at tailgates is not. Fuck the letter of the law 10/10
organized? I'd never call one of our tailgates organized
and besides.... the policy of the tailgate is 'non-alcoholic' but individuals are free to act as they wish.
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so we only get upset when some laws are not followed as long as it is not us that is breaking said law?
I'm not a lawyer, but I did watch Matlock in a bar last night. The sound was off, but I think I got the gist of it...
Errr...actually, I am a lawyer (d'ya think the latin might have given me away?). But I resent the implication of "professionalism". On the internet I am strictly unprofessional.
But why bow out? This certainly isn't an area of my legal expertise ... I'm enjoying the debate and your questions are valid and insightful (except for the one about the "job of the cops").
OK guys dig in these laws more. I am sure somewhere in there it says we can shoot these bastards
Well we do have an entire thread devoted to Tailgates and if I am not mistaken we do have a tailgate committee
again no context. You need to look at the laws being broken and what the people are doing. Not just what the law book says about them.
Is that kind of like when you go to those escort sites and they say at the bottom
"Money exchanged for legal adult services is for time and companionship. Anything implied or inferred on this web site is not to be taken as inducement for services other than this. Any sexual activities that take place are between consenting adults."
Not that I spend much time on those types of sites
i remember home star runner, back in the suburban grade school kids were talking about it 24/7 and decided to check it out. i used to watch those everyday but i forgot about it and im grown !! thanks for the memories...lol
Seems like the whole thing was instigated by you
So why are the tailgates attracting such a large police presence but not the scalpers?
If it went both ways, I personally wouldn't have a problem with it.
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because the mafia doesn't have $25 to join RPB... you gonna have to lower the membership fee.
tailgates are not illegal - public drinking is , and that's not what the committee organizes.
but come on, you know that.
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I do look at the laws that are being broken and scalpers do not bother me and never have, I mean sure I hate the inflated prices but if I want to go to a sold out event they are my only choice. Like it or not they are part of our society and a few angry TFC fans will not stop something that has been going on and is widely accepted. Scalping is not new, it happens at every single event in Toronto what makes you think it can be stopped at BMO?
Go ahead get into a fight with them and then next home game they will have 2 or 3 times more guys there and then it gets escalted even further. Seriously scalpers suck but we are not goin to rid BMO of them so just walk past them and enjoy the game.
my hope is that this video might get seen by someone who actually can do something about it, and they will feel pressured to act. It's not our job to fight scalpers, but it's IS our job to support the team, and if the team's support suffers because of scalped tickets....
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