And the real question:
Why are the police not doing anything?
Is it really more important to deal with
people enjoying a beer in the parking lot
instead of dealing with organized criminals?
Scalpers are a real Problem - Video
And the real question:
Why are the police not doing anything?
Is it really more important to deal with
people enjoying a beer in the parking lot
instead of dealing with organized criminals?
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These guys are all connected, police isn't going to do shit. End of.
Using your powers for good I see Parky?
That is awesome!!! I used to do that last year, but some dude yelled at me because his kid was right there. As a good Canadian I felt bad, but in the end I think I was right to admonish these "parasites". Good capture Parkdale... Next time get a vid without a TFC supporter (he will remain nameless -) giving the gears, it will look for worse!!
Originally Posted by Mrs. Workie
Using your powers for good I see Parky?
For Good or For AWESOME !
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I wanna see a W5 special on this.
W5
Who - scalpers
what - being pricks
where - bmo field
when - game day
why - fuck'em
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Thank You Barbarez..
I love how some people feel the need to be world police..
Scalpers are all over the world ..Its part of life jesus.. Just go to the MLS game and Sing.. Go buy a $10 dollar beer and enjoy that scalp
Doesn't get any more awesome than that!
so awesome.
we should make this a bit of a mission...
Good Work.
Although it would help if we had some muscle when we confront them...
(where's Croat when you need him???)
yep. don't bother standing up for what's right, because there's no way to change things.
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i think the bullets will still go thru that chair!!!yep. don't bother standing up for what's right, because there's no way to change things.
"Bang Bang Your Dead"
there was a police woman on the street by the go train station this past game... i guess someone complained to the po-po's about the agressive scalpers?
Fuck the scalpers. They are scum of the earth.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
Sooooooooooooo... How do you feel about this?
yep. don't bother standing up for what's right, because there's no way to change things.
Ya cause in our society this is the most pressing issue!!!!!!
Go get em Tiger.. Film it too so you can incriminate yourself..
Aside from warning scalpers for aggression (though that was a rather provoked instance) there is little the police can do. In order to remove them from property, they would need a complaint, and I don't know who would need to complain (the city maybe?). It also isn't their job to check prices on all resale (as I believe it's legal to resell as long as it isn't above face value, though it could be a certain percentage over and above that).
Essentially, the cops are powerless. If you want to stop the scalpers (or at least severely limit them), it has to come from within the TFC organisation. I don't know the rules they are working under (what is considered cause for revoking someone's season's tickets?) but they should be able to, fairly easily, determine who is scalping and who isn't. Hell, I'm sure they could even enlist the help of supporters to buy tickets from scalpers. At that point, revoke all tickets associated with that person, and redistribute them to people on the waiting list.
The truth is though, TFC has no reason to be too aggressive here. Scalpers can actually be beneficial for them, by keeping tickets on the market for people who really want to come to a game, and by testing the market to see demand, and what price is valid. They get all of this without having to get their own hands dirty as well.
Personally, what I could propose to TFC is to target scalpers in specific sections. Target scalpers specifically selling tickets in the south end. This way you can get more tickets to the people creating the atmosphere that has made you famous, and you won't get people buying from a scalper without knowing what they're getting in to, and having a negative experience with your product (swearing, standing, etc).
Dude I walk the same path every game and to this day none of these fuckers had said anything to me.. how do you guys get into this shit???
My understanding of law and scalpers are this (Quebec Version):
Its not illegal for someone to sell the ticket for more than face value if the person buying states the price.
If the scalper says the price, it is illegal.
So, if you go to a scalper and he says $65 per ticket...thats illegal
But, if you go to scalper and he barters you to an agreement above the face value, its not. Hence how eBay gets away with it. You agreed to the price.
.....I think
every single week, i get asked if im selling or buying.
how about if TFC actually put their own staff where the scalpers are.
they could actually sell tickets for face value in the same locations that the scalpers are. make it more legit that way.
do we know if the scalpers are selling them for more than face value?
Yes, the scalpers are selling them for more than face value. We've had guys try to buy them for face or less after the game started and scalpers tell them they'd rather chuck the tickets than sell them for less than face value and set a precedent.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
the issue here isn't a debate on the nature of scalping.
It's that the scalpers are scum who would fight a fan.
We've had lots of cases of people being intimidated and confronted
by scalpers before the game. I just hope it never comes to an assault.
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In Ontario, the Ticket Speculation Act forbids the purchase or sale of tickets for greater than face value.
They aggressively solicit and when you tell them to screw off they start with the comments and the aggression. There are two laws they break: The aggressive solicitation laws and the ticket speculation laws.
It's a joke that the cops stand by idly and let this shit happen. People go on about "fair market value" and shit for the tickets, but these criminals falsely manufacture this demand by purchasing the best tickets for events and then reselling them at exhorbitant prices.
It's even worse now that somehow it's become legal for Ticketmaster to own StubHub.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
She wasn't doing shit but looking pretty. I passed by her and pointed out the guys that were scalping and she just said
"I know."
I don't usually drop it, but WTF?
Probably just wanted her extra pay for Canada Day and nooooo problems.
Last edited by Stencils; 07-03-2008 at 10:40 AM.
The scalpers are violating several Ontario laws (Ticket Speculation Act, Safe Streets Act and maybe also Trespass to Property Act), and, in addition, the police have proven themselves very adept at ticketing/arresting people for specious reasons. The question is, why don't the police seem interested in busting scalpers for openly illegal behaviour? Let's not forget, this is the same police force whose downtown plainclothes drug squad had to be completely disbanded a couple of years ago because its officers (including the head of the police union and 2 of the police chief's kids) were running an extortion/drug racket in the Club District. When I see the Toronto police turning a blind eye to organized criminal activity, what am I supposed to think?
The only way this will ever be solved is if the FO figures out which seats are being peddled by scalpers and then moves to strip them of their seat rights. I doubt they will ever get that proactive unless they start taking a commission from the ticket exchange though.
PS- nice work on the video.. how did that altercation start, anyway?
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Scalpers don't deserve due diligence & politics. They deserve to be called worthless and be treated badly every time we see them. Good for you Jack and anyone else who called them out. Lets keep it up.
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