Why should he have? Did the team give the LEAGUE a head's up before they decided to change LEAGUE rules?Originally Posted by babone
Why should he have? Did the team give the LEAGUE a head's up before they decided to change LEAGUE rules?
Last edited by kaos197O; 04-06-2011 at 03:35 PM.
Someone forged his signature too, right?
When he walked out, he didn't give up his right to be treated respectfully, if he came back. Not with me anyway.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
It's a LEAGUE policy! The media IS entitled as per LEAGUE RULES!
How is a player supposed to treat the club that ripped him off?
I was thinking of Carver and sitting in the press box, but there is a trend here.
What I'm really hoping is that the team backs Winter 100% (even if you think he's heavy handed or whatever) and that he'll be the only one speaking for the team. The whole DeRo thing (and the Carver thing and so many others with this team) seemed to all come down to too many people speaking for TFC and nothing definitive being said.
In fairness to Winter, I believe he handled the DeRo and Cann situations appropriately, and this was merely an attempt to shield his players from potential media scrutiny. As of now, it's really not an issue.
As long as Winter isn't defiant in response to Garber's verdict, this story will fade into the background.
hundreds of pages ripping DeRo, but he never walked out on the team.
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You are right about this too. But even this doesn't matter.
Good leaders believe that their people are essentially good, but make mistakes. Cann came back. He was back on the team. He was fully humiliated even before that idiotic press conference. Winter piling on like that was 100% the wrong thing to do.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
So your telling me the league should go public before addresssing an issue with a team. Please!
Personally i say Send me the fines and keep the locker closed.
I supported both DeRo and Cann - they were lied to and felt cheated, as would any of us in the same situation. Fans want to see everything as an individual event, but the players talk to each other and know what's going on. So when Cann sees that DeRo got screwed over, and then finds out that he's getting screwed over too he's not only reacting to his situation but taking a stance vs a club that has a history and habit of lying to players.
I won't get into the Cann thing specifically, but I don't understand the connection you're trying to show here. Winter's attempt at keeping media out of the locker room could also be seen as protecting the players, giving them some quiet space (i.e., the opposite of what you feel about the treatment of Cann). And Winter would have had this rule apply to himself, other coaches etc., as well as the players. He's not used to having media in the locker room; he finds it annoying, disruptive, and dangerous for the success of the club; and he is trying to reduce the amount of drama around the club. Apparently he was naive about being able to implement this rule -- but I don't see the connection.
The Leafs play in MLS? wtf? I wasn't talking about just TFC. Read carefully before you bust out the outraged capslock.
How can you support their positions when they both had signed contracts?
In my mind there is no excuse for Cann walking out on the team that is under new management, especially considering the fact that Winter was still willing to grant him most of what was allegedly promised to him by MoJo, even though he wasn't contractually obligated to offer Cann anything at all.
Seriously. I agree that it was an underhanded maneuver by MoJo to make false promises to DeRo and Cann but these are grown men for crying out loud, and a signed contract is a signed contract, end of story.
If Cann and DeRo had issues with their contracts they have two people to blame, their agents, and themselves.
Screwed over ? Johnston may have lied to them and promised them the world, but that was never in writing. They were very naive to believe anything that shitbag said.
Don't forget they were both happy to sign their contracts when they did and they were both a short time into them when they started to complain.
Their performances were as expected, no more, but more importantly the team's results didn't improve, and to kick-off when they did was ill timed.
If I'm Winter I ask the brass to see if they're interested in taking a stand and paying fines.
If they're not...fine. That's reasonable.
Back to normal with the media I guess.
I would, however, encourage my players to give out as many "no comments" as humanly possible for every locker room interview and be as verbose as possible anywhere other than the locker room.
If Winter wants the locker room to be a place for the team only...then that should be his choice.
It's a stupid MLS rule that they may have to adhere to for now. But that doesn't mean that they have to like it, or be cordial hosts.
I really hope we can one day be talking more about the accomplishments of this club rather than the fumbles. It seems like it's one after the other with this team.
I'm sure word gets around the league pretty fast about all the BS that surrounds this team, to be honest I'm not sure if it's repairable or something we just have to accept until this team is run into the ground.
Apparently he was...say what you want.
With the Cann situation, then Dero, then Winter barring the media from the room - you could hold a contest to "name this soap opera" ...
"...Money wasn't tight, but it like, it wasn't right..."
^ Turmoil FC
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Agreed.
With the Cann situation, then Dero, then Winter barring the media from the room - you could hold a contest to "name this soap opera" ...
Respectfully..the media situation is not nearly the dramatic story that the other two are.
The media story has been blown out of proportion around here.
Winter wanted to keep the media away from the locker room...not away from the team altogether.
It seemed like a reasonable thing to do if he thought it would help the team.
That's pretty good!
"...Money wasn't tight, but it like, it wasn't right..."
I never said it was as big as the other two...
But everything adds up unfortunately...
Here's the shocking part; "something blown out of proportion? Here? On this site? In the Toronto media? NO! SURELY NO!!!!"
"...Money wasn't tight, but it like, it wasn't right..."
I never said it was as big as the other two...
But everything adds up unfortunately...
Here's the shocking part; "something blown out of proportion? Here? On this site? In the Toronto media? NO! SURELY NO!!!!"
Hahaha...true enough.
Far from outraged and I apologize for misinterpreting your post. I thought you were speaking about the media with regards to the team that we are speaking of.
The connection is that, in every case, his prime motive appears to be to tighten control over the club using authoritarian methods. It's always popular with a subset (maybe a significant subset) of the fans. I get that. This has been FC Hollywood of the North.
But Winter seems unhealthily obsessed by this. What do you think the players think?
We have to have talented people, with other options, actively choose to come here, for us to succeed.
I'll say it again:
We have to have talented people, with other options, actively choose to come here, for us to succeed.
For every Sir Alex, there's 25 guys who try this unsuccessfully.
Last edited by ensco; 04-06-2011 at 03:37 PM.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
You never answered my questions and NO that is not what I implied.
I vote for team Winter... where's the poll?
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