Today's News,Saturday, Apr.02
Mornin'
GAME DAY !!
Martina's Blast Wins MLS Goal of the...
TFC Acquires Two For De Rosario
Reds Ready To Herd Goats
Can Reds Conquer Chivas?
Toronto FC trades De Rosario
TFC deals De Rosario to Red Bulls
Toronto FC trades Dwayne De Rosario to NY Red Bulls
Kelly: Once again, back to square one for Toronto FC
DeRo heads south
Red Bulls obtain De Rosario from Toronto FC
TFC smoke and mirrors: De Rosario
Costa Rica stops Canada U20s
Canada U-20 team loses but advances to quarters
SUNSHINE
Thank you, D.
Quiet day on the news front, I see.
Kellyjust goes to show how much respect soccer gets in the media that he still writes opinion pieces on the sport.
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mornin d
kelly is not only an idiot he is a fucking wanker
game day boys and girls who's comming to the tailgate
Last edited by scooter; 04-02-2011 at 06:38 AM.
wow 2016 and things are looking up --- come on you reds lets go
Holy shit Gareth Wheeler's Toronto Sun article is quite the expose/revelation. If you only have time to read one site's news - read this one for dramatic affect!
A must read.
I will reserve judgement on what he said, she said. But if these are accurate Dero quotes - MLSE just took it on the chin again in the court of public opinion.
Last edited by DOMIN8R; 04-02-2011 at 06:43 AM.
Kelly is clearly grinding the same old axe. Look at how he insists on putting 'FC' into his writing with no regard for how it sounds.
"FC once again exchanges in-the-hand quality for in-the-bush hope."
GAH!
Kelly is a douchebag, especially for continuing to use 'FC'.
But I think that's a fairly decent overview of the mess we are in.
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waring: reading that WILL make you angry. Very angry. Burn down the barn angry.
But I am glad the real story is getting out.
*edit, oops, this is my girlfriend's account.
Stop masquerading as woman online again, Parky.
I get it now.
I stay up all night drinking and Hal get's up early.
That is a window of cummunication.
KD.
I only read Wheeler's article. I'll get through the rest (except for Kelly's. He doesn't rile me up, his writing style just bores me.)
After Wheeler's article, I feel more and more for what that Cann apology fiasco really was. To me it felt more like corporate bullying, and being shown an example of.... AND PUBLICLY humiliate a person. I'm sorry, players hold out for contracts all the time, its business. But when you publicly flog a dude like that, its totally personal.
DeRo, always loved ya man. I always will. Good luck in New York, I'll never heckle you on your return.
Wheeler's piece is what it is, one sided. If DeRo really has Cochrane's signature on a document, why not simply show the document?
It doesn't reference the career opportunities that Brennan and Dichio received. Serioux is still connected via their TV station. Clearly, for these guys, MLSE is still a decent organization to build a career with.
You have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. As you would when Anselmi speaks on the issue.
There is a 3rd party in all this. The new Management
At the end of the day, this is Winter's team and I like that he gave the captain every opportunity to save face. Calling him the leader and all that. DeRo returned that opportunity by saying he would hold out if he wasn't the DP. He never did but his threats were loud and clear.
Winter doesn't believe anyone is bigger than the team and I respect him for making a difficult decision and putting his stamp on the team.
incorrect.
he knew the fight for a DP slot wasn't winnable. He just wanted a raise.
Check his quotes from Jan 26. Clearly spells out, at the team presser, that he wants to be a DP
Wheeler's piece reads like talking to only one side in a divorce case.
Not the highest piece of journalism, if you ask me. He should be getting at least a "no comment" from the other side.
The good side of his article is that you now know how DeRo felt.
BTW, the soap opera aside, many congrats to Martina. He deserves the honour.
Last edited by Oldtimer; 04-02-2011 at 07:59 AM.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Guys, stick to your opinions - but please don't pass off things as FACT when its just your opinion or inference from quotes or actions...
Opinions are great - make great debate, but saying THIS IS HOW IT IS when in fact 99% of us don't know what was done, said, demanded, as fact just hurts the image of our group...
Carts...
"...Money wasn't tight, but it like, it wasn't right..."
To quote a great meerkat, it's time to put the past behind us. Deros issues were with a management team that's no longer in the city and Dero is no long either. It's a new day for the club and it's game day. All we've seen thus far this year is reason for optimism, we have a new defender shoring up one of our weak spots and are playing a pretty bad team. Whatever issues Dero and Mo had are (thankfully) no longer our problem. So, COME ON YOU REEEDS!
Wheeler is a wretched reporter whose writing is more akin to an episode of Jerry Springer than a piece of journalism. Take what he writes with a healthy mountain of salt. It's purposefully inflammatory and one-sided because Wheeler is purposefully inflammatory and one-dimensional.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
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I don't 100% disagree with that at allFixed
"...Money wasn't tight, but it like, it wasn't right..."
Wheeler being so one sidedly de ro doesn't surprise me, he's always had a huge thing for de ro, in print and on his show. and hey good for him, it got him some choice quotes today.
but as other people have said, very one sided, though I don't really doubt that what he wrote is true, there's obviously more to it than that.
that attakora reference thrown in there is worrisome though.
oh well, it's game day. The post-Preki rebuild bowl
too many news will have to read later on
Yes. But its our side, and our dimension no? He's a fan first, kindy douchy second, and a journalist third. All that.... and I still like the kid.
Here is the trade from NY's perspective:
http://www.newyorkredbulls.com/news/...et-their-no-10The New York Red Bulls finally got their No. 10.
New York GM Eric Solér had been saying for months that the club had been pursuing a playmaker, and in Dwayne De Rosario, that’s exactly what RBNY get. Now in his 11th year in MLS, the 32-year-old De Rosario has 74 goals and 52 assists in the regular season, most of them coming from the “hole” just behind a pair of strikers.
That’s an area RBNY manager Hans Backe has wanted filled since his arrival. The design is to play a 4-4-2 midfield diamond similar to Real Salt Lake. In DeRo, the Red Bulls now have someone who can approximate the play of Javier Morales and take some of the creative burden off of Thierry Henry and Dane Richards.
They’ve also gotten older and sacrificed a good chunk of depth. And for all of Backe’s talk about the Supporters’ Shield, this trade doesn’t help New York in that regard as De Rosario is likely to be gone for a good portion of the season representing Canada at the Gold Cup.
Instead, this is all about the need to win MLS Cup. DeRo has four of those to his name; the rest of the RBNY roster, combined, has three.
Translation: they need to win the cup this year. Forget about the future. Forget about the Supporters' Shield.
Last edited by Oldtimer; 04-02-2011 at 08:51 AM.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I know some of you won't venture into the DeRo thread but this is what I posted there in relation to Wheeler's article.
I think it's more he said, she said.
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While DeRo final rant in Wheeler's article is pretty scathing - and I do believe it - I have a couple of questions.
Wheeler say that MLS gave TFC permission to give DeRo a DP contract yet why in January did MLS come out and say they wouldn't renegotiate his contract?
About not helping players get accommodation?
I know for a fact that the Leafs have a person on staff (Dave Griffiths) who is on the staff to help players get accommodations, particularly new players, who assist with families in terms of getting them in enrolled in school, helping out wives getting a adjusted to the city, getting a vehicle, etc. There is someone on the Raptors side too (Doreen Doyle). Why doesn't TFC have a person like that? Or do they?
For the guy commuting from Niagara Falls. As I stated yesterday the only player I can see on the current roster that is from the area is Keith Makubuya who just turned 18 in January. Was he living at home with his parents? I mean everyone knows the Andrea Lombardo story, about him riding his bike to BMO, but he was still living at home. I know Phil Oreskovic, who plays with the Marlies, commuted from Brampton (though he drove) because he lived at home with his parents.
Ideally you figure that MLSE could have an "athlete's condo" where guys could stay until they get their own accommodation - especially during a transitional period - but it's not like the guys listed above are making tonnes of cash. Didn't Ricketts live downtown when he got here? I remember some RPB running into him when Ricketts first moved here. I know a lot of players on the Leafs side, for example rookies, live in hotels until they're told by the team to find a place of their own (they've made the team).
As for players taking the TTC, didn't Matt Bonner take the TTC to games and hence getting the nickname "The Red Rocket"? I know the guy trialling with TFC, Cristian Gomez is supposedly living with his brother in Scarborough. Maybe he's happier there than staying downtown. Does every player on TFC drive?
As for Attakora not being happy, I figure some of the money they save by moving DeRo will be given to Attakora.
The ticket stuff I don't understand.
The Celtic thing - I said before - someone should be fired over bungling that one. At first I thought it was Brennan that gave him permission because Cochrane was saying he didn't. So it appears Cochrane was lying to cover his ass. (Also as an aside, his trade for Sturgis isn't looking good now either.)
Yeah... it's a pretty scathing article (and while it seems I'm coming across as a FO apologist, I'm the furthest thing from it) I don't know if it's all cut and dry.
Wheeler is a douche first, kind a fan second, and a journalist third.Yes. But its our side, and our dimension no? He's a fan first, kindy douchy second, and a journalist third. All that.... and I still like the kid.
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yup... people are always calling for good journalism from soccer scribes. But interviewing one person and drawing final conclusions from one person's opinion on the subject -- as if that's all fact -- is not good journalism.
Last edited by rocker; 04-02-2011 at 09:15 AM.
Whether Wheeler's article is factual or not, a player indictment of the previous regime is hardly a revelation to those of us that have been following the club since day one.
It's in the past, and it's time to move on.
One thing is certain, until MLSE is sold, I don't see DeRo coming back to TFC in a front office capacity.
Anyone know if today's game is available on-line?
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