POST GAME RANT: Whitecaps VS TFC

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Aaaarrrrg!

Lineup: 4-3-3

1st Half

----------------------Frei--------------------
Gargan-----Attakora--------Harden------Cann
--------------------Sturgis-------------------
------------Soolsma--------Martina-----------
Peterson----------------------------DeRosario
-------------------Santos--------------------


2nd Half: After all the substitutions- 5-3-2

----------------------Frei--------------------
--------Attakora-----Harden-----Cann--------
Gargan---------------------------Yourasowsky
------Maukubuya---Zaravise----Martina-------
-----------Santos----------DeRosario---------


Player Ratings:

GK- Frei= 5
DF- Harden = 3
DF- Attakora = 5
DF- Cann = 4
DF- Gargan = 4
MF- Soolsma = 4
MF- Sturgis= 3
MF- Martina = 5
FW- Peterson = 5
FW- Santos = 6
FW- DeRosario = 7

DF- Yourosowsky = 5
MF- Zaravise = 4
FW- Makubuya= 3


Formations: 4-3-3 vs 4-4-1-1

Vancouver crowded the midfield to stop the advance to the wingers and then took advantage of a slow responding centre back and another extremely slow left back. This was amateur football on behalf of TFC. It wasnt until TFC switched to a 5-3-2 and crowded the backfield that they were able to stop Vancouver progressing freely to the wide areas.

Post Game Conclusion:

No reliable Left back to push forward, Sturgis was horrendous as a defensive midfielder and Harden absolutely has to be dumped. I don't see how he can hold on to a job after this display.

[TorCanSoc]

AAAaaaarggg!


I listened to the game on the fan. It sounded brutal. Lots of season left though.

[billyfly]

[justin]

hahahahahaha our backline is amazing

[LesH]

A very lucky and proud TFC squad gets beaten only by 2.
We should be very happy about the fact that the score was not at least 4 goals in favor of the Whitecaps.

So, are you guys happy?


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(Sorry for the sarcasm, but I can't comment anything else)

[kaos197O]

I'm checking out. Gonna watch Match center for the rest of the night.

Not too depressed about the result. I can see direction and know that when we do finally get all the pieces together we will be a force to be reckoned with. Very entertaining match.

Congrats and Welcome to MLS Vancouver. Consider tonight a gift!

[Pachuco]

Absolutely fucking brutal. I have no idea what Winter sees in Ty fucking Harden. You must see alot in him to play Cann out of position and to keep two natural LBs on the bench. Ty Harden is not cut out to play in Winter's system.

The defense in general was brutal. Got absolutely schooled today.

[ParadymeTFC]

OMG too soon!

[jloome]

Basically we had a lot of good possession but our back line, save for Attakora, was a total shambles.

The decision to play Cann wide and Harden inside (and Harden at all) reeks of training camp politics.

Sturgis was totally lost, and Gargan just isn't good enough technically to play in this side.

Yourassowky looked good in midfield, as did Martina...on the few occasions he actually saw the ball. DeRo looked really good in a system. Peterson started well but was a shambles as a two-way midfielder.

Probably the first time in history a team has had 60% of the possession and given up four goals.

[Shakes McQueen]

Repost of my last post in the match thread, adjusted for lack of context:

Winter hasn't finished building the club the way he wants it. He didn't bring in Gargan, Harden or Cann. It'll take him some time to populate the roster with the exact people he wants.

I said before the season started, that I'm fine with the team taking a step backwards performance-wise, as long as it was clear that a coherent system was being implemented, and players that fit that system were being acquired. I stick by that assertion.

Winter wasn't responsible for the mess of the previous four years - he just inherited it. He also inherited the angst and expectations of a success-starved fanbase, which I fear is going to compromise the ability of some people to give him a fair shake at the job.

I don't see this as a "rebuilding" year - I see it as a "building" year. Winter was left no foundations on which to "rebuild" something.

In fact, you could make a fair argument that Winter was left with worse than nothing - he was left with a mishmash of players, some of whom were angry about their contracts based on negotiations that took place before Winter arrived here.

- Scott

[Batman]

on a totally different not...this DOWNHILL SKATING NOW ON TSN is pretty awesome!

[Kc17]

If there is some positives to take from this game, these are likely them...

That backline will likely never play together again.

The team played a lot better after the inclusions of Zavarise, and Yourassowsky.

One can only hope Harden and Gargan are dropped from the lineup soon.

[jloome]

I figure this will look a whole lot better with Cann and Attakora back in the centre of the defence and actual fullbacks.

[Alonso]

Deep breaths is highly recommended.....

[Davenport]

Totall f*cking embarrassing. MLSE should be ashamed of themselves.

Winter has inherited a clueless squad.
The kid who came on and played right wing for us in the second half was out of his depth. He should be playing OSL under 18.
Their 18 year old Canadian kid was a player. That's the difference.

[billyfly]

What pisses me off is the same issues again and again. Yes the devil is in the details but in general:

SHIT DEFENSE

[reggie]

i dont watch tfc road games...what was the final and who scored for tfc?

[Heathen]

Their 18 year old Canadian kid was a player. That's the difference.

Guess where he started

[LesH]

Probably the first time in history a team has had 60% of the possession and given up four goals.

Welcome to the opposite of Preki's system.

[boban]

Well this score against Van WC FC in year 3 wouldn't bother me so much.
But we are in year 5!!.. Making this loss tough to swallow.
This game just makes its abundantly clear how royally backwards MLSE has taken this team. Should have axed Mo after that shit show with Carver 2+ years ago.

Anyhow, having possession is all good and stuff but practicing the passing skills of and with your goalie ain't gonna win you any games. I don't how many times they have to pass back to Frei until they actually make tangible forward progress. And most of the game we were losing FFS!!!!! Attack guys. Move it forward.
And the corner kicks .. wow .. Something like 12-1. Unreal.
Can't wait til DeGuzman is healthy, we get that Stevanovic coming in, and hopefully that killer striker that we are sorely missing.
We're in a world of hurt right now, but with those players coming in we should improve.

[Dave67]

i dont watch tfc road games...what was the final and who scored for tfc?

For real? 4 - 2 for them and DeRo & Santos with the goals. Santos with a stunner.

[Alonso]

i dont watch tfc road games...what was the final and who scored for tfc?

4-2 Vancouver

Dero from a sweet pass from Santos

And Santos with a cracker of a strike with his left foot.

[prizby]

i don't want to hear that we are rebuilding
i don't want to hear excuses

WE SHOULDN'T BE LOSING TO A FUCKING EXPANSION SQUAD IN THEIR FIRST GAME

End of Story!

unacceptable.
not impressed

4 goals against, against an EXPANSION TEAM IN THEIR FIRST GAME


DISGRACE

They had better be doing wind sprints for the rest of the night...time to teach them a lesson

[ManUtd4ever]

If there is some positives to take from this game, these are likely them...

That backline will likely never play together again.

The team played a lot better after the inclusions of Zavarise, and Yourassowsky.

One can only hope Harden and Gargan are dropped from the lineup soon.

Agreed...

[Davenport]

Guess where he started

No idea, but he's a player and our kid isn't.
Just like the rest of both squads.
They've got footballers who are bright, intelligent and quick.
We don't.

[markus]

Absolutely fucking brutal. I have no idea what Winter sees in Ty fucking Harden. You must see alot in him to play Cann out of position and to keep two natural LBs on the bench. Ty Harden is not cut out to play in Winter's system.

The defense in general was brutal. Got absolutely schooled today.

The defense was brutal since first game of the preseason in Turkey...so far we can only count on Frei, goal posts and cross bar...

[Heart of Stone]

Welcome to the opposite of Preki's system.

Agreed. There are people out there who feel Preki should have been given at least two years regardless of the results on the field.

But now that we have Winter and a new system we need to be patient for at least two years...

[Shakes McQueen]

Well this score against Van WC FC in year 3 wouldn't bother be so much.
But we are in year 5!!.. Making this loss tough to swallow.
This game just makes its abundantly clear how royally backwards MLSE has taken this team. Should have axed Mo after that shit show with Carver 2+ years ago.

Anyhow, having possession is all good and stuff but practicing the passing skills of and with your goalie ain't gonna win you any games. I don't how many times they have to pass back to Frei until they actually make tangible forward progress. And most of the game we were losing FFS!!!!! Attack guys. Move it forward.
And the corner kicks .. wow .. Something like 12-1. Unreal.
Can't wait til DeGuzman is healthy, we get that Stevanovic coming in, and hopefully that killer striker that we are sorely missing.
We're in a world of hurt right now, but with those players coming in we should improve.

MLSE definitely deserve a lot of blame for the trajectory of this team since it's inception. But we have to try and give Winter a fair shake at cleaning the disaster up.

- Scott

[GuelphStorm2007]

Our defence was totally brutal. Just giving the ball away . hell the Couve had about 12 corners to uor none that is ridiculas,

[reggie]

For real? 4 - 2 for them and DeRo & Santos with the goals. Santos with a stunner.

thx...for real....WTF HARDEN IN THE MIDDLE AND CANN ON THE LEFT...ARE YOU KIDDIN ME.