LMAO!! Surely you jest....They be just as pissed as we are if they had scumbags likes MLSE as owners....Originally Posted by moralis
LMAO!! Surely you jest....They be just as pissed as we are if they had scumbags likes MLSE as owners....
Yes, but MLS and MLSE are partners in TFC and the MLS Cup game isn't being sold the same way here as it was in Seattle, so MLS isn't treating all the partners the same.
Do you think MLSE had to clear their plan with MLS?
I think you're on to something....Haven't seen the stats from this year, but for years 1-3 didn't we have the most penalties and fouls called against us, and the least penalties given (or very close to it)...as long as all the refs are American we'll NEVER be given a fair shake in this league...
Except BMO Field is in Canada and those TFC supporters are Canadian, you thick fuck!"This is a successful market that has helped truly grow the credibility of this league globally," he said. "When we sit and talk about a U.S. World Cup bid (in 2022), we're going to sit and talk about why America is a soccer nation. And we're showing pictures of BMO Field. We're showing pictures of the Red Patch Boys."
MLS has no control over the refs, which are appointed by US Soccer and the CSA as part of their arrangement to sanction the league.
You don't think the Don has done anything for us? What about the mystery of Stefan Frei being left as a Generation Adidas player that doesn't count against the cap, even though every GA player in the past with his playing time would have "graduated."
Our problem is that Mo was so incompetent, he couldn't make good use of the cap space opened up by that move (he used it to sign Mista).
Don't take Don's public statements seriously. Every ownership group that bids on a franchise is "amazing." As DichioTFC has pointed out, every city has "great support." I'm pretty sure he's here because he is concerned about how ML$E has mismanaged the MLS Cup seat sales process, and is trying to work with them on solutions.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure what he says in private will be quite different than what he says in public.
Last edited by Oldtimer; 10-20-2010 at 07:53 AM.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
good idea Matt!
Don isn't our friend. if he's worried about us and our actions it's for same reason ML$E is, MONEY!
I don't have a ticket, but if I did I'd either boycott or do as Matt is suggesting.
earlier in the thread someone said something about going to the game and being a good supporter. the reason that we are doing this is because we are good supporters. we want what's better for our team and for football in Toronto.
Last edited by Belfast_Boy; 10-20-2010 at 08:35 AM.
Agreed...
Garber just wants a full house for the MLS Cup. He doesn't give a toss about anything else.
Oh poor, poor, poor mls - I feel so sorry for them. sniff, lets give them a group hug - fuckin not! Applying pressure to mls is working - we will probably get a better package offer yet from ml$e - If so, you can probably thank Don Garber for picking up the phone and explaining to these ml$e dweebs the facts of life. If we don't get a better package then I don't renew and then why would I give a flying fart if MLS gets hit in the crossfire - I have already been bent over and been hosed by the "darling" of the league... Revenge is a dish best eaten cold - and it is going to be very cold on November 21st... and I am hungry!
Taking out the MLS Cup is the final move on this chess board, but it is Tommy A's turn right now... this could move in a more postive direction if he does something significant - Up to you Tommy....
"There is only one thing worse than a spurned woman - a spurned Toronto FC Fan!!!!!!"
The Don's got my respect here.Garber said that one of the mistakes was raising ticket prices, which have almost doubled since the club's first season.
“They made a mistake,” and the team is “working to address it,” he said.
Although its not a direct quote, note he didn't say that one of the mistakes was including the CCL tickets in the ST package. It was raising prices.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer...ss-garber-says
Don't kid yourself. The Don realizes how important Toronto supporters and fans are, even if greedy ML$E can't see beyond short-term $$$. He doesn't want to kill the goose.
As the banner said some seasons back, Beckham didn't save MLS, we did.
I'd love to be a "fly on the wall" in those uncomfortable meetings he's holding with ML$E brass.steps are being taken to address the on-field and off-field misplays.
Last edited by Oldtimer; 10-20-2010 at 08:21 AM.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
if anyone here believes that don garber isn't holding a meeting with MLSE execs saying, "look, we have the potential for the BIGGEST MLS FINAL YET between new york and LA, i don't care what you do, just fill the fucking seats! i'll do my best, now you do yours"
then you're fucking kidding yourself. this man is a politician, yeah, but he's also a businessman.
He gets half a point for platitudes - he doesn't get respect until he actually gets something done.
And yeah, I'd like to hear that conversation, too, because MLS had a lot to do with the "mis-steps" of TFC, from recommending the GM to not requiring that any more front office personel be hired. Make no mistake, TFC was run by MLS, even last week MLSE was still saying they'd be asking the league to help them find a new GM (though since then, it's true, the talk has all been about the mystery consultants).
Here here!
Exactly. Imagine the "big game" on US TV, huge exposure, and the stadium half-empty!
MLS has majority ownership in all MLS clubs, including TFC. If ML$E screws up enough, they can force them to do the right thing.
That's why Don's conversations with Anselmi will carry a lot of weight.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I would hope the words "whatever you gotta do" get spoken at these meetings. Something like "whatever you gotta do, make the fans happy" is something that should have been on their minds from the beginning and MLSE has forgotten that they are actually catering to CUSTOMERS not hostages.
I think the time has come to have one single demand from the fans to MLSE. In my opinion, a reasonable compromise would be a price freeze for 3 years.
my sentiments exactly
Seriously?
It's delusional to say that with everything that's transpired, it's reasonable to ask that they freeze prices for the next three years (by which time we could be in the final and have Didier Drogba and Frank fucking Lampard playing as our DPs, theoretically).
To cover the cost of inflation over that period, you'd have to hike prices at least a little each year or freeze years 1 and 2 and raise a lot in year 3.
Also, don't forget who owns the team.
So to illustrate 'why America is a soccer nation" for an American WC bid they're showing pictures of a Canadian team and Canadian supporters?
i posted this on a few CBC articles
a little history lesson for everyone here:
we were once given the all-star game. these tickets weren't included in our seasons ticket packages. MLSE said, "hey, you don't have to buy them, but if you want to buy them, you get first dibs!"
so we sold out the stadium.
this year MLSE said, "hey, we got you the cup game! we're going to increase your ticket price without any justification in the meantime. as for the cup, well, this time you don't have a choice!"
the problem that many of the season seat holders have is that this is being forced on them, and knowing that it'll lead to this becoming a standard practice on top of steadily increasing price freeze. let's look elsewhere in the league..
REAL SALT LAKE (MLS Champions 2009): SSH PRICE FREEZE
NYRB (new stadium / 2 world class DPs / winning team): SSH PRICE FREEZE
DC UNITED: SSH PRICE DECREASE
SAN JOSE: SSH PRICE DECREASE (+ added free parking)
a potential boycott would be directed in attention to this. as for saying it would be meaningless as we already have paid for tickets, imagine turning on ANY final in a major league event and seeing the stadium half empty.
would you not question why that was?
would you not feel embarrassed for the organization hosting it?
yeah, well it's sort've like that.
i've got some bad news don.. ML$E shot themselves in the foot, which is kind've hard to do when they've already put their foot in their mouth.
you're throwing a facebook event, and everyone's attendance listed as "maybe". i think it's about time you look look into pressuring ML$E into making this a free-of-charge event for the dedicated fans they've robbed so hard as a thank you for sticking with us and being "the best fans in the league".
someone, anyone, show us that this isn't about the money!
I don't, because MLSE's plan was, and remains, inexplicable. There is no rational explanation for it. I mean, come on, there were at least 3,000 empty seats for the opener against Seattle. In April!
Based on what I have read in the posts here, MLSE have repeated absurdity after absurdity in defence of the price increase in the town halls. "Prices were too low historically" is my favorite. A close second is "it's only a dollar or two". Bundling the MLS Cup game compounds the insult.
If MLSE execs had asked anybody about this: Don Garber, or anyone else, it doesn't matter, they would have all said the same thing to them: wow, aren't you pushing the market way too hard with that plan?
Last edited by ensco; 10-20-2010 at 09:15 AM.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
dont say anything let them do this
it will be entertaining to point out later
It's not delusional. The hiked prices 75-100% over 3 years, indicating inflation factors little in their pricing model.
There are people asking for free MLS Cup games, price rollbacks, member-only sections. Of all these demands, a price freeze is in fact the most reasonable and reachable by MLSE. There is no reason for MLSE to cry poor. They will still be making money. Something other owners wish they could be doing even now, 15 years into the league.
Ooooof! I think that one might have been a bit below the belt... Probably better to concentrate on MLSE here...
Yes, that's true, it's unbelievable the way they've treated this market, the way they haven't seemed to have noticed what's been going on this whole season how more and more people are just losing interest.
A lot of peple predicted a drop-off once the novelty wore off - that's to be expected in most things, really, but these guys seem to have been oblivious.
All season long there have been more and more seats empty for games. Many people around me were giving the team, "one more year" from the second season and this really was it. Adding the MLS Cup was the final push for anyone who was undecided about renewing.
It would be interesting to see how the renewals are really going. Town halls with the VP and now the commish is in town, hat in hand, begging, blowing sunshine?
And are single tickets for just the MLS Cup game even on sale yet?
RPB, non-RPB... regardless.... what I DO know is that DichioTFC came off like a mega-douche with that comment
They'd almost have to wait until after the renewals, no?
That must be why the panic is setting in. Renewals are way down and there isn't much time to market the game.
YES^^
Garber should be imploring the fans of the qualifying teams to attend, and doing everything he can to ensure those fans have adequate transport and enough tickets that are in a designated area.
Imagine if they held the UEFA CL final at Old Trafford and then sold all the supporter seats to Manchester utd SSH, even though the final was between Inter Milan and Barcelona.
Would the Manchester Utd fans be blamed for poor attendance and not really providing an atmosphere?
Nope, Blatter would be hauled over the coals, thats what would happen.
I bet Garber and MLS wishes it had awarded this year's MLS Cup to New York instead of Toronto.
Imagine having the teams of the two biggest media markets in the U.S., Los Angeles and hometown New York, with names like Donovan, Beckham, Henry, playing for the championship in front of a probable sold out Red Bull Arena.
Now imagine these two same teams playing in BMO Field that is half empty due to the cynical greed created by ML$E, and how that would come across throughout North America.
Is it any wonder Garber's trying to give a rimjob to Toronto right now?
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