first i've heard of that, being to a few sens/leafs games and allOriginally Posted by I_AM_CANADIAN
yeah and i'm pretty sure from what i saw; boris saw even less of the game then i did, and i was drumming
say the word boris, and i'll get a flaming scooter on the field
I had the same problem, I was coming just when the roster was being announced on the P.A, the security told me I can't enter the stadium from gate 3, So i just walked to another person in gate 3 and as soon as the security girl saw me she ran to ask another security guard if I was allowed in by this time my ticket was checked and I just ran to my seat..
and imagine if the dissatisfied fans of the raptors and the leafs happened to see our side of things?
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Its very true. Running on a hamster-wheel isn't productive or conducive to getting results. Protest when your words will mean the most and have the most impact. If we protests with regularity then, 1. we'll look like idiots and 2. nobody will take heed to what we say.
People need to calm down with all the protest talk and see whats best for the group, not just what they feel like doing at that current moment.
Exactly.
Just don't give us a reason to "criticize" and most people won't.
+1, well said.
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I think we need a clear update on what is / is not allowed on a banner. if they tell us in advance that some messaging is not allowed thats reasonable (to me at least). if they make up these rules the night of the game, then its kinda bullshit for people like the OP who took the time and effort to make the two-stick and wanted to voice his opinion.
No one is talking about protests... just about the right to criticize if we want to.
I hear you, being critical is a right with paid entry. Just want to set the line about protesting, as some people feel the two are intertwined.
I don't get the calm down thing.
1. Are you saying we should calm down because you think Mo's 5 year plan is working and the future is bright?
2. Are you saying calm down because you think some essentially non offensive flags were seized is acceptable?
3. Are you saying calm down because you will take part in a fully commited Mo must go protest 20 games into this season if TFC is not solidly in a playoff spot?
I can wait til #3, but I'm not waiting forever.
I don't want to get into the whole why we should or shouldn't protest against Mo. The timing of this banner isn't what's being discussed. I'm sure I could start a thread and it would be 500 pages of why we should start rolling out the message. But that is not the issue.
The issue is this message is banned from BMO. Whether you or I think the timing is right or not doesn't matter here. it's about censorship IMO
there are three main issues:
1 ) our feelings on Mo (and this isn't the thread for it)
2 ) having our banners subject to approval, which is a new thing, and a bad thing
3 ) the inconsistent, unnanounced, and poorly run entry policy into BMO.
See gunnerken's post again.
Dude had hip surgery, and is told that his red and white checkered flag had to be taken to the other side of BMO for approval.
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Exactly. +1
If they want to do a check a) let us know and b) do it at gate 3.
You've known about these new rules since March 31st so i don't know why this comes as a complete shock to your members.
Good to hear.
I agree with what Whoopee said above, it's about the right to criticize if we want. Anti-Mo banners are neither profane nor offensive in nature.
Definitely. We need to know if the BMO security intends for this to be a precedent and, if so, clear rules on the issue, not some haphazard BS made up on the spot.
find it on the official TFC website?
Isn't gate policy the kind of thing that the team should be announcing?
the supporters groups don't control the gates, so it's not really our issue to post the rules.
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^ I had a look this morning and saw nothing about it. Not sure who was told about this...?
you watch it
^ Was that after they lost 6-1 to us?I remember reading at the time that they left the stands empty for the first half in protest over the team, in their opinion, giving up.
the way it was explained was how RPB did things.
we would meet FO before the game to set up.
we werent told of having banners checked
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BMO Field is not a public coliseum. Even with a ticket they can kick you out whenever they want. When we chant "this is our house", really, its TFC's house. You can walk in there and tell them to fire MO.
Also tonight wasn't the night for this. NEE displayed their MOJO banners right after the go ahead goal. I thought that kind of took away from the celebration of the goal.
I don't dispute they should have announced it on their own website and through emails/various other channels...but don't feign ignorance like this information was not relayed weeks ago. I personally believe there is a responsibility to relay any pertinent information to the members of my SG and to try and resolve conflict that may arise which is what we had been trying to do over the past few weeks via back and forth emails.
Take this piss elsewhere, it's not your place to tell US what we do and do not know.
Especially since Mo was the one who brought De Ro in. For a bargain too!
I don't want to get into a public dispute and i apologize in advance but i was in the same room as you and yes, everything was supposed to be checked...from flags to banners to overheads. I will say that MLSE needs to be more consistent in their policy. Some of the people in the room didn't even know of this policy change and the rules are still not completely concrete. I've never seen them written down so it's hard to gauge what is the actual policy without potentially having them change their word to suit their needs.
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