FUCK OFF ARGOS, theres no way we can allow for this to happen
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1379458/
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FUCK OFF ARGOS, theres no way we can allow for this to happen
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1379458/
Just about to post this. And so it begins...
That's the cost of not owning our own stadium. Anyone can claim the right to use it - and there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
I can't remember who to give credit to, but I always remember the example of setting up a farmers market, or a road hockey game on the 401 since its public land.Originally Posted by Super
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LOL that's a good one, haha!I can't remember who to give credit to, but I always remember the example of setting up a farmers market, or a road hockey game on the 401 since its public land.
Tough shit. The Argos' owners had a chance to be part of a new outdoor stadium, and they bailed. Any ownership group that contributes nothing should never be surprised or angry when they get nothing!But when BMO Field was built, the multiuse community-access facility was soccer-specific, not convertible for football use, as it was originally intended. The Argo owners were furious when they learned it had been constructed with stands that do not allow the facility to accommodate a regulation-size CFL field. Retrofitting the 20,000-seat stadium to fit more seats and a bigger field has been estimated to cost about $15-million.
As for the dollar amount in the estimated renovation, does anyone else think that is far too low? Retrofitting BMO to accommodate CFL football is already expensive, but adding seats on top of that would cost quite a bit more.
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I just can't see it happening. My guess is this is part of the annual threat the Argo's make to leave the Rogers Centre, to try and get a better deal out of them.
MLSE will oppose any attempt to move in with everything they've got - especially with a $3.3 million dollar soccer pitch being installed. Could you imagine it being torn up by CFL players every other weekend?
This just... won't happen. It can't. The concept of a CFL team playing on a professional soccer pitch is just unthinkable, literally. And MLSE have way too much political muscle for it to happen.
As soon as the turf got torn out, I really think any realistic chance of the Argos landing there faded away.
But if it starts to look possible, we need to be out in FORCE.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
lol dont the argos kinda remind you of that hot girl that thought she was too good for you in highschool, then fast forward 10 years later and shes put on 50 pounds and is now butt ugly and is now facebooking you every other day to "catch up" and "hangout sometime" lol!
God willing youre right my friend
and a big
to those that want to move into our home
realistic question
What if the Argos came in with a proposal that would piggy up an 8,000 seat expansion or something like that...would we as fans accept an Argos move (as long as TFC games had priority to the facility including any mid-season scheduled friendlies)?
For me no, i dont want them anywhere near, i bought season tickets knowing i was spitting distance from the corner, i do not want to be moved, it will take away from the environment
I didn't realize there was a precedent for playing on a shortened CFL field. That's worrying
Well watch out, with Mayor Miller on his way out and the good possibility of John Tory running for top spot, the CFL would have a friend making the choices for the city.
Public owned facilities can be used by anyone willing to rent it.
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The bastards are late again, again, again....
MLSE is not only paying $3.5 million to put in top-notch grass; they're spending another $2 million for the right to put in grass (for the replacement facilities). Add the original investment by MLSE in the stadium, plus BMO's dollars (would probably not be interested in sponsoring CFL here, especially if MLSE didn't want it). And what are the Argos offering in return?
What I don't know -- is there any way the Argos can claim a "right" to play in a "publicly-owned" facility? Or at least create some political havoc? They would be promising extra revenues to Exhibition Place etc. What if we have a mayor named John Tory a year from now? (Although, I suppose he may want to do his old cable friends a favour, and not make it easy for the Argos to leave Rogers Centre?) Or some extreme douche-bag mayor & premier (not in the good sense of that word)?
To prizby -- it would totally screw up the high-quality grass surface being put in. Especially if the Argos play after a few days of rain, a couple of times in a row. Plus, how well can you put in & take out football lines, especially on real grass? Would the lines have to stay there for the length of the CFL season? F THAT!
An expansion in return is definitely not worth it. Argos can get governments & sponsors together to build a new stadium on an Ex Place parking lot, at Downsview, or wherever the F the want to. They can offer to host the World Under 20 Canadian Football Championship, maybe that will interest the goverments...
Last edited by Auzzy; 11-27-2009 at 02:00 AM.
I plan on being as vocal as necessary and I hope that we hear from MLSE about this immediately
BUILD YOUR OWN FUCKING STADIUM YOU MORONS.
30,000 seats. At Downsview.
Share it with the Rugby Canada and the Rugby Canada Super League. Get that going.
Problem solved.
I want football lines on a soccer field I stay home in hamilton and support there soccer team or move to new england..
Sokolowski and Cynamon probably put that bid on the Phoenix Coyotes just to kiss ass to MLSE so they can come to them on this. What little cunts
Priceless.
At the risk of complete speculation, BMO would probably love it. They get their name associated with nine or ten more events a year, free. (That may change if they have to renegotiate the naming rights)BMO's dollars (would probably not be interested in sponsoring CFL here, especially if MLSE didn't want it).
I don't understand this absurd concept that sometimes gets expressed by Naylor and others that somehow the Argos could just move into BMO Field whenever they want to.
Do the Argos own or operate the stadium? No. It's someone else's property.
How much did the Argos pay for the stadium's construction? Zero.
This would be like me and you discussing the possibility of starting a business, but I decline the opportunity and you go on to start the business with someone else. Three years later, after the business has become more successful than anyone thought it could be, I show up and say "build me an office -- I'm part of this!"
You would tell security to escort me off the property, or at best tell me what large sum of cash is required to buy into your business (if you were even open to the possibility). MLSE owes nothing to the Argos, and as even the article acknowledges, does not need another tenant, let alone one that would be tearing up the grass.
That $15 million figure is probably far too low for what it would cost to convert BMO into a CFL stadium, and the idea that they could simply move in as early as next season is nonsense. The playing surface at BMO is 115 yards long, so the 'shorter end zones' would be about 2 or 3 yards deep. There's also probably not the facilities to handle CFL teams with their much larger rosters and dressing rooms, equipment, offices, etc.
And aren't these the same cheapskate Argo owners who were the only CFL team not carrying a third quarterback because they didn't want to spend the 2000 dollars a game that it would cost? The same Argo owners who had another CFL owner surreptitiously pay half of the two million dollars it cost to buy the team, then continue to cover their losses? The same Argo owners who turned down the chance to have their own stadium for only $20 million with government paying the rest? I don't know how much money these guys have, but their actions would seem to show they don't have enough to build their own stadium or rebuild BMO Field to accommodate the CFL.
It's all smoke and mirrors.
The Argos were trying to sell....no one wanted them.
So the owners are not pretending to be happy with them again...
they don't have the 15 million the article quotes as the cost to adjust the stadium.
And the real grass wouldn't survive.
I wouldn't get too worked up over this. It's just a show to get investors back, or for the Roger's centre to give them an even better deal on rent.
What is stopping MLSE from coming out and publicly disagreeing with this?
This CANNOT happen.
TFC Front Office, here's a freebie.
Having the Argonauts play on BMO would put too much stress on the Turfgrass, thus requiring the use of strong Herbicides and Fertilizers.
And being close to the lake, and the all the extra paper work that the Ministry of the Environment and BMO's IPM agent would have to do, to allow the Argo's play on a 100 yard field with 7 yard endzones.
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sou...s_r09063_e.htm
And the two broke owners are going to cough up $15 to $20 million to convert the stadium.
they touch our field in any way,im done has a season ticket holder
Didn't the Argos take a poll from their SSH last season about moving to BMO? I thought it was reported a resounding "fuck NO" to freezing their asses off outside.
Interesting business model though, move in a venue approx 1/3 the size of the existing one in an attempt to artificially create ticket demand and report a "sell out".
Last edited by Mikey; 11-27-2009 at 07:12 AM.
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At the end of the day, MLSE currently have a lot of money invested in BMO Field as it stands today with the new playing surface. The city will give them a lot of say on the issue of another team moving in.
The Argos will not play in our house. There are just too many impediments for me to see it happening.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
Morons just missed the opportunity to use PAN-AM Games to get a nice stadium build partially with public money.
They can use a future PAN-AM stadium in Burlington 10-12 K is more than enough for Argos.
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