I would think would go the other way TBH. It's when you're "co-worker" has better pedigree, is more skilled, but does not deliver much more than you deliver - at a fraction of the price.Originally Posted by Rudi
Not saying that any of this applies to JDG currently, but that's the big risk I've always associated with DP's in this league.
Conceding late goals and inconsistent play has cursed TFC for three years. Garcia contributed to messing the playoff this year I'll agree to that. The dressing room mentality and club management has to be the main issues not just Garcia, Vitti and Barrett.
Those bad apples have to be players that have been here for three years.
I really like the fact that Sam Cronin has the cojones to step up and reveal that there is serious team issues. Everyone else is lying and hiding and denying there are issues but the results make it obvious that there must be.
Future team captain IMO.
For the sake of professionalism, no names will be mentioned by anyone affiliated with TFC including mainstream media types which is exactly how it should be. Rest assured that MoJo is aware of the negative characters in the locker room and they will not be back next season...
Amado.
Chad.
Way off base buddy. Cummins yesterday specifically mentioned Guevara as a model professional. According to some 'insider' reports Chad along with DeRo has been trying to confront the 'bad apples' and create more of a team spirit.
Gerry Dobson hinted strongly that Garcia is a problem and my gut feeling based on watching him during games is that Serioux is another one.
alright
now we are getting somewhere
bad apples =
garcia
serioux
(and I'm assuming one of the young guys, a really fast one)
Im not going to add Gerba, b/c when he arrived here, he was ecstatic to be on this team.
However, him being out of shape and form could contribute to a bad attitude.
how do we know this for certain?
He's pretty much lied about everything else
Terrell Owens?
this speculation game based on very little evidence is so fun, eh?
why not just wait and see until what develops, IE credible sources put out some good evidence
all this guessing game... well, i guess we have nothing better to do now that TFC is out of the playoffs
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Jack the Ripper?
Big Bruva also confirmed that Guevara was a pretty cool guy...
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It's funny, I've talked to someone with inside info who said Guevara had come up as a guy who doesn't fit it, but everything public is saying he does. Maybe "doesn't fit in" is code for "doesn't speak much English". Or maybe he's disliked by the guys shirking their responsibilities.
Well Big Bruva is the inside info... regardless, to me it's pretty obvious what someone with limited English skills will be going through... heck I believe even Velez said in an interview (Those one-on-ones) that Guevara gets picked on because of the language barrier... maybe that's how he doesn't fit in...
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Depends on your definition of bad apple.
After hashing this out on this board, some leeks, hints and stories, here is my revised guess:
Bad Apple (different motivatuons or lack of, infected/affected others),:
1. Garcia (only 1 because of CC's comments wrt to 95% of the players he wished well, on a 20 man roster, that is 1 person)
Sour Apple (different motivations or lack of, but kept negativity to oneself)
1. Guevara
2. Gerba
3. Serioux
Here it is folks. Take it to the bank.
"Cummins yesterday specifically mentioned Guevara as a model professional"
Seriously, Amado can't win... we will twist the words until he becomes the bad guy...
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There is no word twisting...we were Guevara's distant second priority this year and it showed. He played when he wanted, and took off the games he deemed appropriate to be ready for his world cup games. As a veteran, one of the highest paid players, he is expected to more than show up and play, he is expected to lead by example. I dont think he did. Did he go out of his way to disrupt or not follow team direction...I am not saying that.
LOL FluSH people just want him to end up being the bad guy so that their opinion of him from the time he arrived as a "head case" holds true and some people can just say "I told you so!" Guevara in my books was one of our better players this year. Did he fuck up on the field at times? Sure he did as did the entire team, but at least he showed some kind of emotion and passion when things weren't going our way.
^ I thought that at times his age showed, HOWEVER, he did show emotion and passion on the pitch.
I heard that the whole issue is because Jimmy B and Carl Robinson got in an argument about Andy Welsh's scoring ability. Jimmy thought it was world class, Robbo thought it was more of a continental europe class.
The other players took sides.
And here was are in this mess.
I knew it. Its the Gambians fault.
I once watched a movie on TV5 about mobsters in Senegal, and the big bad boss man of the movie threatened to send the hookers to The Gambia if they upset him.
Animals Eaten:
pig, cow, lamb, moose, chicken, quail, kudu, ostrich, kangaroo, octopus, alligator, rabbit, shark, springbok, goat, bison, boar, caterpillars, turkey, fish, lobster, crab, oyster, prawn, antelope, camel, eel, squid
They were one country for a while Senegambia
Given we are on the africa topic, what happened to the Ivory Coast guys ? They have a killer national team...
they must have also been bad characters in the dressing room! They were sending a message when they took out Robbo.
Animals Eaten:
pig, cow, lamb, moose, chicken, quail, kudu, ostrich, kangaroo, octopus, alligator, rabbit, shark, springbok, goat, bison, boar, caterpillars, turkey, fish, lobster, crab, oyster, prawn, antelope, camel, eel, squid
Maybe they went to the A-League, I hear it's really good.
Oh wait, wrong thread...
Wow - still on this topic. Why don't we just start another thread with a poll and get it over with?
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One other observation since I am here...watch the press conferece...Mo looks uncomfortable, worried, worn down and beat up. CC looks refreshed, happy and full of energy. The natural observation would be that CC was relieved it was over, and could finally relax. However, I wonder if a part of him was enjoying seeing Mo squirm and get asked all those uncomfortable questions...bit of payback perhaps ??? I dont knooowwwwww
Agreed, a poll resolves all issues...lets do it !
Categories:
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4. Unripe Apple
5. Ripe Apple
6. Damaged Apple
7. Half Eaten Apple
8. And finally a Pear in Apple skin
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CC looked like that immediately after the game when they had an interview him at Giants Stadium.
Watching the press conference yesterday, it gave me a little more sympathy and respect for the man, but still, he wasn't the right man for the job and he was in over his head.
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