If the loss is the players and/or manager's fault, guess who brought them in? No one is arguing that players go out there and play like crap because Mo told them to. At the end of the day, the buck usually stops with the general managers. There are only so many head coaches you can fire and players you can cut/trade away before you have to stand up and admit that you've screwed up.
I agree with your comments even more than you probably agree with mine.Originally Posted by jloome
I completely agree with the need to rebuild. I know there are many people sick to death of my anti-Mo sentiments but I truly only go on and on about it because I want desperately for TFC to be something great and I simply know (there is absolutely zero doubt in my mind) that it won't happen with Mo at the helm.
I'm not joking in any way - when I'm positive about something people take the mick, when I am disillusioned people take shots at me. I think Mo is the best thing to happen to TFC, he is the best I we can get under any circumstances... Bar none. I think his was the first name I chanted at a TFC game... So, I think Mo must stay!! Mighty! Mo!!
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^ Yeah. That's why people take shots at you.
Not for being an arrogant and condescending poster who takes every opportunity to post his resume and tell us how important his insight is, while taking underhanded shots at the group's integrity and bringing the leadership of our club into question as if he wasn't living a ocean away, but rather acting like a member in good standing who attends our functions and brings his concerns and comments to us and others in a openminded and completely non-passive aggressive manner.
But yeah, we take the shots at you for being disillusioned.
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Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
A) I have NEVER been passive aggressive.
B) I have supported every person who has lead this group, even yourself if you recall. I have never questioned Jack and certainly have not questioned Canadian Bhoy.
C) I find this strange coming from you as you remember exactly how I was one-to-one.
D) I only became what you call "arrogant and condescending" when "friends" turned on me when I was trying to galvanize the group. Right or wrong, that was my only impetus.
But this is not the place for such a discussion - it would be suitable as a PM. So I allow people to get back on topic. I think a little soul searching on this one would be appropriate Cash. Don't believe the hype - I know you're much smarter than that.
These are very good points that you and JLoome raise. Of course, the need to rebuild was known from day one - all expansion teams start out with leftovers - players just holding positions until the team can get going.
Any evaluation of TFC really needs to be in two stages, the expansion players, who shouldn't still be here or should be on their way out soon, like Brennan, Robbo and Guevara and the players acquired in the sort of 'second stage' like Frei, Cronin, Ibby and so on.
Still, no matter who acquires the players, to win in a salary cap league (I'm comparing this to the NFL because I've been following that a long time) you need to get the most out of every player, so you guys are right, building a cohesive team is more important that building the most skilled team and implementing the right game plan for each opposition team can make up for a lot of deficiences.
Unfortunately, we don't seem to be seeing any of that.
You'd think MLS's recent performances against USL teams -- which rely on this ethic for any sort of success -- would've been picked up in this league by now.
Instead, Mo's gone after people he sees as skill players. But he hasn't played with Garcia in nine years...Robbo and Jimmy couldn't crack starting lineups in England...Amado has alway had commitment/emotional issues...Rohan was even more of a head case...Serioux can sprain a limb on a blade of grass...Vitti does everything right, but nothing ever goes right for him....Barrett? Too many issues to list....DeRo, sometimes a brilliant game winner, other times an ineffective ball hog.
We don't have a team. We have a "group of talent." It will never be cohesive with this many egos, technicians, old players and duds.
We're three or four key players away still:
* Sanyang isn't experienced enough, one would think, to be the full-time holder and Robbo seems to have hit the late-career wall. Cronin's too small and better two-way anyway. So we need a holding midfielder.
* Amado or Duane.
Lineup won't work with both, as both wants the ball ALL the time. You can get away with that with one, but not both, as it leaves little time for rest of the team to get involved and to build up. Either that, or play DeRo as a striker only, so that Amado can general the midfield. I personally think he only has it in him 1-in-2 games to be that player. That's not a personal judgment; if I had his skill level and played in this system, I'd become disinterested and late to the ball.
* A target forward who can also score.
DD is not mobile anymore. He's ponderously slow. Still a very good player, but we need some youth. Gerba is not a target forward and we need to play at least a two man front for him to be effective. I've seen zip from OB White so far to lead me to believe he has a pro future, but then, he's hardly played. Ibbe is too slight to be the target man and not ready to challenge Gerba.
* A tall central defender who is strong and vocal. Right now, every team that plays as has us figured out: avoid the defensive midfield, go wide and cross deep.
* A lay-back fullback with more defense than offense, so that we at least force them to switch field when going wide. right now, our backs are terribly positioned much of the time, challenge for the ball late, sit way too far off their men and are generally fucking the dog.
So far, what this season is actually proving is that we're all understimating how poor our key components are. A .500 club may well not make the playoffs this year, but we'll be lucky to stick at that mark.
^ You're exactly right.
When the team picked up Guevara I thought it was supposed to be a stop-gap move (almost a panic move), a guy who didn't really want to play in MLS but would fill in for half a season. Why is he still here?
And, as we've been saying for sometime, good on Carl Robinson for committing himself to an expansion team, but it's really time for an upgrade. Same with Brennan. We'd still be saying same with Sutton if we hadn't gotten lucky in the draft. The core of the team hasn't improved since the expansion year.
But still, as you say, other teams figure us out - we don't figure them out.
Man whats wrong with you guys.. talk about short term memories?!
everyone seems to forget the team and Mo got ditched by JC in the first 3rd of the season.. it could have been a lot worst, Cumming stepped in and has done well for a newbie and thats all there is too it..
I agree the team may need some retooling.. but some of you have a blow up the team mentality everytime something goes wrong.. what if they win against DC next week? will you be all writing the same crap?
I more pissed about getting shafted on those RM tickets and how MLSE treats it fans.. like bags of money..
This is not very perceptive. As numerous threads have pointed out, we are currently only sitting at a 36% chance of making the playoffs, based on our form over the last month or so. When carver left, we were two spots into a playoff spot, and a week after he left, we were tied for first place.
Cummins had the usual grace period where worried players play their hearts out, now it's back to the same shit. He has done nothing since the Columbus fiasco (and really, the Houston game before that) to turn things around.
The problem the players, the coach and the GM. All three. If you don't see that, you're actively rooting for mediocrity and will get what you're asking for.
If youre so angry about one game then vent somewhere else...again as i said, if you keep spamming every thread about this thats called trolling....
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the majority of the post was regarding the thread subject.. and doesnt tomorrow's game not fall under the scope of management? hence Mo?
Seems fair game to me. Don't agree with your position even slightly, but it's certainly on topic.
I think Mo's done a great job so far, i'd give him another 2 years to put a contender together, after that I'd be willing to let him go
Great job. Come on. Somebody has to be responsible. Fuck this really fuckin pisses me off.
Alot you mistake passion for settling. We have to have the passion to win. And the players Mo has assembled do not have that. Whos fault is it?
I can see the converse position, though, which is that he HAS brought in a lot of players who, when their name was first mentioned, got us all collectively excited.
Problematically though, few of the signings seemed aimed at contributing any level of team cohesiveness.
Mo ain't going anywhere (other than running to his car with his kids (?) while cussing in Scottish about the crowds to see RM and CR9)...
True Story from tonight.
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Absolutely nonsense. Most of your posts are the textbook definition of passive aggression - taking thinly veiled shots at people, and then recoiling in horror when people call you out on it.
I might be inclined to believe this, if you didn't also decide to lash out at people like myself, who have absolutely no prior history with you whatsoever. But at least qualifying this statement with "right or wrong..." essentially acknowledges that you probably know it's ridiculous and immature.D) I only became what you call "arrogant and condescending" when "friends" turned on me when I was trying to galvanize the group. Right or wrong, that was my only impetus.
You ceased to make this a private issue, with your dozens of posts arguing with and insulting RPB members, calling people like me your "Parkdale of the Day" in a clear attempt to provoke me, and so on. Roogsy and Parkdale alone could probably fill a book with passive aggressive posts from you.But this is not the place for such a discussion - it would be suitable as a PM. So I allow people to get back on topic. I think a little soul searching on this one would be appropriate Cash. Don't believe the hype - I know you're much smarter than that.
And for the record, this post I quoted could also have been a PM. You just want to get the last word in.
My apologies to the mods for continuing this, but I'm just tired of the victim complex he has. Everything isn't his fault. It's all everyone else. When he insults people, it's just him making prescient observations about the club, not him being a troll. We just hate him because he doesn't have "beer goggles" on about the club. Blah blah blah.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
my time spend on this board has been so much more enjoyable once i put mr TiT on ignore
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Sorry Mrs. Johnston, you're not allowed an opinion.
Mo blows, this guy has assembled a roster that can't even beat USL teams. We got lucky with beating a 3rd tier Montreal side, and then we get embarrassed in this stupid champions league thing.
Mo is actually an average GM overall, and we are a mid-table team.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
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^ I would agree with both those points but would counter with the fact that we are the second-highest grossing club in the league with one of the most richest ownership groups. As such, we easily have the resources to bring in a world-class coach and GM that could put the rest of the league to shame despite the hindrance of the salary cap.
Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
Actually my point was we're STUCK with him til 2011 now that he got the extension, and MLSE ain't likely to turf the guy mid-contract.
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^ Well yeah, I suppose that's true.
STUCK is a very appropriate word.
Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
if you think Garica can't read the play, i'm curious to know how you feel about Wynne?
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