Post game: @PR - We Suck

[Beach_Red]

At the end of the day the players are to blame not the coach. He can only do so much if the players on the field don't produce you can't blame the coach.

100% team failure no question about it

Really? That's all he can do? That's the best game plan he could put together? And that's enough for you?

Sorry, in a league with this much parity (and I'm counting the USL teams) we actually have to be smarter and have better game plans.

[ua-kozak_TFC]

what are you talking about guys ,.... we were pretty hood could finish thats all after all we are only three year old club...

Mighty Mo might MO mighty mo....

[TFC USA]

Please Trane tell me what bGerba did tonight? Did yyou even hear his name being mentioned? I thiught he was suppose to be a qulaity striker. He has gotten worse each game he has played for us.

I got to use a porn reference.

You're one who if there is no fucking in a porno 10 seconds in you'd assume it sucks...no pun intended.

[Manutd #1]

Yo man this is typical of mlse we let go of a player and they turn good

samual is having a nice run in scotland scored on the weekend in cup play and is now in the spl, much better then mls well at least the top couple teams

cunningham just scored 4 goals in a game and has 8 goals which is probably the amount of all our strikers combined....dero is the only one who has as much goals as him

[Suds]

Sums it up well. I'm not prepared to just scream "blaghhh everyone and everything sucks shit!" over and over.

Our tactics were pants-on-head retarded. The substitutions over both games were awful. Combine that with some epic bad performances from some of our best players, and you have TFC laying an egg in the CCL.

- Scott

You nailed for me, Scott. It's the tactics first that I was most frustrated with tonight. In both CCL games we seemed to have no idea of what to do once we approached the attacking third of the field.

Add to that some bad individual decisions by De Ro, Garcia, Brennan, etc., brings my frustration tonight to another level. For this team to win we can't have our vets and top players making mistakes that we wouldn't accept from players on our own men's league teams.

[trane]

Please Trane tell me what bGerba did tonight? Did yyou even hear his name being mentioned? I thiught he was suppose to be a qulaity striker. He has gotten worse each game he has played for us.

Giambiac, he is a striker if the team cannot get the ball to him his name will not be called. You are looking for reasons not to like him.

[fetajr]

GET RID OF MO AND CUM... they have no idea what they are doing. DISGRACE.

Correcto!!!....thats what i've been saying since DAY 1 with MO, and this year with CUM!

NEED MANAGER/COACH WHO BELIEVES IN POSSESSION ATTACKING STYLE.

[colman1860]

Please Trane tell me what bGerba did tonight? Did yyou even hear his name being mentioned? I thiught he was suppose to be a qulaity striker. He has gotten worse each game he has played for us.

Two extremely dangerous free kicks. Two headers which missed the net by inches.

In short, more than you've ever accomplished. Try making a positive post. Just once. You can even copy+paste somebody else's. Try.

[flatpicker]

ok... this was an unnecessary thread!

[Shakes McQueen]

let's be honest, you never are

True, but I consider that a virtue.

Really though, getting wound up and screaming for everyone to die and be fired like a 5 year old, is pretty useless. I'd prefer to talk about what went wrong, and what needs to be done to fix it.

Calling for the entire team and management to be blown up every time we play some shit games, isn't realistic.

- Scott

[VPjr]

We were tactically inept, reacted to their tactical shift way too late (they went to half-field pressure at about the 12th minute, to make it difficult for us to headman the ball to Gerba), didn't change positions to reflect the inability of midfielders to get up into the attacking play, and left four defenders on for about 10 minutes too long.

That was an arrogant, unschooled performance.

I fear too much of the coaching focus here is on the "stiff upper lip" British tradition of motivation over all else. When your players are technically proficient but egotistical and prone to poor judgment, that does little good. It can bring out a stellar single-game performance in a top player or two from time to time, and that might get you some points.

But Puerto Rico, on a purely technical basis, is a team we should've taken apart. Instead, we played like 11 guys who wanted to be "the one who put the great ball in past four defenders" or "the one who blasted a 25-yarder, cross goal face into the top corner."

It was like the bloody Saturday Mornign Wacky Action Hero show out there or something. Totally singular play, with no leadership, almost no cohesion. Gerba created a nice turn and shoot opportunity that should've been a penalty, and Marvell Wynne's hardwork all day also created a couple of chances.

But tactically, everyone else was in a constant state of defensive reaction, and terribly out of position. The gap between our midfield and frontline, such as it was, was usually ridiculous, a third of the pitch of more. There was constant headmanning to a loan striker, Gerba, who's not really a target man, but a poacher, and who was double-teamed by the centre of a four man backline.

Just dreadful.

So incompetent boob award #1 goes to the coachign staff.

#2 goes to the group of 8 or 9 egotists masquerading as a team;

#3 goes to Mo Johnston, who has the richest reserve of both capital support and fan-generated revenue support in the league, but can't hire a central defender over 6'1" tall who can command a backline; who takes on project player after project player, guys with plenty of skill but 10 cent heads.

Shit, it's getting annoying even writing this. The "our players have 10 cent heads" post I wrote around this time last year would suffice, if I could be bothered looking it up.

not expecting much until the current regime is gone.

Well said Mr. Loome...well said.

[noochie]

How can this team look so talented on paper and yet be completely inept? And I agree, Cummins' tactics are confusing at the best of times and awful at the worst... he is out of his element here.

[profit89]

It's the tactics. That's the real problem, more than any individual player.

[Gixmo]

The underlying problem on this team is that there is no trust or cohesiveness among the 11.

Body language does not lie.

110% agree, Hit the nail on the head there.... It translates to the pitch

[BigPoppy]

I don't think we should blame Mo or Cummis they have done a decent job at putting the team together, Cummis put out a good offensive lineup, it's the players that need to have a reality check and start producing on the pitch. Does Toronto deserve to play in the MLS or should we be in the USL with the rest of the Canadian teams and make way for teams like the Islanders and Charlston to play in the MLS?

[trane]

Like a Liminiatis for example?

I think Mo's the first out the door for me.. Just because you have a bunch of nice wood doesn't mean you can build a deck.

Well I have voiced my support for Liminiatis before, and I still would.

[FluSH]

A 260lb pylon? He had a bunch of great shots that tested the keeper. Gerba is a big strong garbage collector, with a good shot.

"He has a gut" isn't a reason. Blanco has a gut. Blanco can't run.

Gerba was rendered ineffective, because he had no one to work with up front for most of the game.

- Scott

What great shots? Were you watching a different game? I had visions of Collin Samuel out there... Gerba was completely ineffective... he doesn't have a first step... in fact by the time he is doing his first step the defender is already on his 3rd...

Gerba is strong I'll give you that... but he boxes his man outside the box and turns for the kill... one-on-one and boxing the defender without the heat beign a factor is when Gerba is at his best... he was being doubled at times...

Gerba should have been out by the 55th minute...

[profit89]

You need 2 strikers. Gerba alone up there accomplishes nothing.

[ua-kozak_TFC]

Really? That's all he can do? That's the best game plan he could put together? And that's enough for you?

Sorry, in a league with this much parity (and I'm counting the USL teams) we actually have to be smarter and have better game plans.

lol i really don;t understand you.... if i am correct you are part of the group that think that mo has nothing to with the play on the field... i think mo has more to do than cummins....
As someone has said here before... can;t do a tasty chiken salad with fresh chicken shit... so yea

Next on the agenda... NOT make the play offs...

Followed by a 2 year extension to MO.... Awesome...he really deserves that one...

[wzhxvy]

I am upset but not as much as I was when we lost to Vancouver. I feel everyone's frustration mind you. Sucks. If we miss the playoffs this year, I am going to lose it if MO gets an extension.

[ExiledRed]

Cunningham didn't like it here, he didn't like the fans, and he threw the CC.

He might be a great striker, but he had noo intention of playing hard for us, so the point is moot.

Samuel was unfit when he was here, and isn't allowed to get away with that shit in the SPL. It was a shame he left when he started to look dangerous though.

[Suds]

But tactically, everyone else was in a constant state of defensive reaction, and terribly out of position. The gap between our midfield and frontline, such as it was, was usually ridiculous, a third of the pitch of more. There was constant headmanning to a loan striker, Gerba, who's not really a target man, but a poacher, and who was double-teamed by the centre of a four man backline.

We had the exact same issue in the first game.

[Yohan]

well. at least Frei had a good game

[Manutd #1]

gerba should not be a lone striker not many in the world can play as a lone striker, i think he had 2 very nice free kicks. I know he was in the gold cup but i dont think he is match fit yet, dont forget mls teams are in mid season form he is just getting back into form even at mk dons he didnt see much playin time near the end of the season he will improve

[Dirk Diggler]

Man to be honest, I do not even know what aspect of our team to point at and declare it the reason for our loss tonight. Every single thing was shit out there. No one seemed to give a damn ... we all know that Cummins is inept but to be honest, unlike the billion other instances in which the apologists have used the excuse, the loss was truly on the players. There isn't much you can do when every one out there has no interest in advancing to the group stage.

[THA BUTCHA]

Players that need to go:

Carl Robinson (Absolutely NO Creativity and we pay this guy quite a bit)
Jim Brennan (Can you really call this guy a leader. I would prefer to see Gomes take his spot for the rest of the season)
Chad Barrett (has poor touch and ZERO soccer IQ)

[Cobblers]

lots of slagging on individual players, which is somewhat justified after tonight's performance, but I think the real issue is that we don't have any idea how to go forward. We play long ball with no target man in, we play one striker when we're down a leg, and we don't have the team understanding to play simple one-twos to get around a single player. Garcia and DeRo striking from 45 yards sort of underlines this. Why are we playing Robbo, Cronin, and Guevara all in deep roles - it's redundant. We are we not building an effective midfield - everyone speaks that our midfield is the best in the league - maybe in individual talent but we haven't moved the ball well through the middle of the pitch all season - it's disjointed - the gap between our lone striker and central midfielder(s) is huge and has been all season...

Anyway, losing's part of football. On to the next league game...

[FluSH]

Two extremely dangerous free kicks. Two headers which missed the net by inches.

In short, more than you've ever accomplished. Try making a positive post. Just once. You can even copy+paste somebody else's. Try.

I would say one dangerous free kick... but he's not a set piece specialist... he's all strength...

Other than that... Gerba was nowhere to be found.

[giambac]

Funny thing is that I have been saying for a year and a half to fire Mo, to blow up this ship. Man old man if they only listened,. We wasted another year and are no further ahead. and to think they are planning on giving Mo a 2year extension???????


Mo should have been gone at the end of last year with Carver. Good thing Carver is gone but the bad thing is that we brought in a junior rookie to replace him. Still don't have aqulaity striker an dstill have a majority of players on the team who play without heart.

[VPjr]

Well I have voiced my support for Liminiatis before, and I still would.

Limniatis proved that, when the chips are down, his team choked. Limniatis doesnt have the experience this team needs.

There are more experienced pro coaches in the CSL and that is not even a tiny exageration.