ESPN on McBride
Interesting that he thinks we need a defender. I would say that is the last thing on our shopping list.
Striker you ESPN cocksuckers...we need a Striker, not D!!!
Umm...we top the league in clean sheets? We are solid at the back, this guy doesn't know what he's taking about.As for trade material, the men of Toyota have parts to spare. (Although the word is that Justin Mapp was among the first names requested by TFC, and the Fire probably shouldn't go there.) But Conde? He's a talent, for sure, one that has barely dented the lineup in '08. Translation: he's expendable. And TFC can use a guy like that, one who can brace a defense that's still too leaky.
No kidding, we're second best in goals against.
Our backs are relatively cheap (salary wise) as well.
We need a guy like, well, McBride.
agreed. were have the second lowest goals against. we need more goals for, much moreOriginally Posted by Ron Manager
That has to be some of the worst journalistic tripe I've ever had the ill fate of running my eyes over. Is that guy a third grade teacher. I swear I got a cavity reading that siropy nonsense. That and his brilliant idea of sending a def. to Toronto for Mcbrides rights. Does Shit-cago have a second DP spot for him or is he not asking for DP money?
What was up with that bit about him saving kittens out of trees.....weird.
Wow. All I have to say is. LOL
Remember - these are the same dumbasses that list BMO Fiels as being the US, enough said on their credibility!
This whole situation points to Toronto getting screwed....and where the fuck did this guy learn how to investigate his points.
I'm not sure I see TFC getting screwed on this deal but I doubt we nail Chicago's ass to the wall either. Take Nyarko and picks or allocation and move on. I don't think Mo needs McBride to set his agenda It's a windfall that has the potential to help longterm and we still pop for a DP striker in July
i don't think he's asking for DP money, Chicago is getting the home team discount
yeah, its more about Chicago then about TFC, kinda amazed that he decided to ignore all the important information (especially that bit about us having the second tighest defence in the east/league adn the fact that Condes contract is up in a year and prob wont want to come to TFC.
We'll have to see how we do on the road. This is a different team home and away.
How different is this situation from us getting Guevara? What did we have to give up then?
We gave up conditional picks, so nothing yet. It'll depend on what he does for us. I'm not sure what the cost will be since he's been great.
The difference is Chivas wanted nothing to do with Amado and the whole world knew it.
Given the oppertunity, we would take McBride and will use our "dibs" allocation to do so. In that sense, we're getting a bit of the shaft and would need value for such. There's a long line back up to the top of that list.
Take some allocation. Mcbride most likely wont want to play here. I doubt Shitcago will give up much, anyways I like how MO has properly shopped around for his signings.
If Shitcago gets McBride, it will be very difficult to beat them, no matter who we get as DP. Personally, it would be more of a win if we can trade McBride to another city in the West far and far away
I know what you're saying but it's already a lock he goes to Chicago. I'm not sure we need to concede defeat and go home if he does.If Shitcago gets McBride, it will be very difficult to beat them, no matter who we get as DP. Personally, it would be more of a win if we can trade McBride to another city in the West far and far away
What kind of league "leans" on teams to make deals?
Read this from the same media source—Soccernet.com
Complete article—MLS tackles the issue of transparency
For all of its notable successes -- adding teams and building stadiums across the continent, signing brand-name performers like Blanco and Beckham, merely surviving for 13 years -- MLS has taken some well-deserved heat throughout its history for what many view as a make-it-up-as-you-go-along attitude towards its own arcane set of rules and regulations. The complaints often have been justified.
Critics argue that with Landon Donovan, the Galaxy effectively have three DP players.
After all, it was only three years ago that the suits at MLS headquarters in Manhattan strong-armed FC Dallas into trading an allocation so Landon Donovan could play in Los Angeles after returning from Bayer Leverkusen. It didn't matter that that FCD probably would have taken Donovan over Carlos Ruiz in a heartbeat, or that Donovan's rights should have belonged to his former club, San Jose.
And that's but one example. In 2003, Dallas had to relinquish the top overall draft pick so that flagship club D.C. United could select local sensation Freddy Adu. And in 2000, the Galaxy off-loaded future U.S. national team star Clint Mathis against its will so the league could strategically place petulant and past-it Mexican striker Luis Hernandez in immigrant-rich Southern California.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns...ot=mls&cc=5739
I've got two words for Chicago and the League…Fuck Off!
“We changed the entire league’s opinion of the viability of soccer in North America. And then we blew it because we chickened out." —Tim Leiweke
A young one still fighting for its life.
There should be less and less of this stuff as the league becomes more solid, but no soccer league will survive in North America if it's dominated by a few teams - the rest will just fold. So, the league has to do what's in the best interest of keeping the league strong (which it does sometimes and screws up badly others).
So yeah, this stuff will have to end soon.
That's my point!!! Big media market teams get the benefit of league strong arming at the expensive of others!
Why would you want to invest in a business like that? "Sorry guys but for the betterment of the league were gonna take the league's MVP and give him to…LA 'cause…well…their LA and your not?"
"Sorry Toronto…we know you have the rights to McBride but it's best for the league you give him to Chicago". Why even bother having players rights?
I can't think of a legitimate sports league that would change the rules "on the fly" to benefit certain markets? Let's just change the rules depending on the circumstances?
Insane…
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“We changed the entire league’s opinion of the viability of soccer in North America. And then we blew it because we chickened out." —Tim Leiweke
can never have enough defence...defence wins Championships!!
Well, it hasn't happened yet. I'm hoping that MLSE is making exactly your points and won't be pushed around. I don't know much about Mo, but he's been involved with this league a long time and doesn't seem like a pushover.
It's not unprecedented, though. For years the NBA had territorial rights so that "local boys" could be marketed. When it wasn't needed anymore they got rid of it (I'm not sure, but they probably held on to it even after it wasn't needed).
The NHL (I know that's a terrible example when it comes to pro sports leagues) also had an unwritten rule giving Montreal first dibs on French players. It was never an official rule, but it might as well have been.
by adding the best players to chicago, LAG, and DC united, you are not balancing the league, you are creating 3 or 4 superpower teams and the rest of the league will fight for survival.
But you know what, we really don't need McBride neither what it comes from him.
Remember guys, before McBride decided to come back he wasn't even in our calculations and we have to trust Mo to build a super TFC team without the help of Fucking MLS suits.
Not unprecedented??? That was 50 fucking years ago!!!
Baseball did it too…but way back then the "old local boy" rule was a given…and was so for years until "collective bargaining" came into effect…which eliminated collusion and antitrust.
It was "legally implemented" to prevented those in power from “rigging the game" and controlling the livelihood of players (workers).
Hey, you and I, I'm sure, are on the same side of this argument…but frankly articles like the two cited on this thread really concern me about the legitimacy of this as a viable professional league?
“We changed the entire league’s opinion of the viability of soccer in North America. And then we blew it because we chickened out." —Tim Leiweke
I don't like this allocation nonsense.
If a team wants to sign a player, and that player wants to go to that team, thats that. There shouldnt be any other nonsense about who has the allocation rights.
Oh yes, I'm sure we're on the same side of the argument. And we're both in a hurry to get this league to where it should be.
The league itself is trying to become the first ever successful soccer league in North America. It's got the potential to be one of the best leagues in the world simply because North America is such a big, lucrative market.
But it's up against it. Look at even the Toronto media - any idiot can see that TFC is going to be one of the major sports teams in this city (in fact it already is, and will only get bigger) and yet the media lags so far behind. It's even worse in the states where too many jerks afraid of what's coming spend too much time bad-mouthing or ignoring soccer.
And the league's got to compete with every established league in the world to convince the best players and coaches they can to come over here so they're makng allowances - are they making too many? Probably.
It's changing fast, though. The sponsorship deals with VW and Microsoft are reall just the beginning. I want to tell the media dinosaurs trying to ignore soccer is like standing in a typhoon with an umbrella. It's coming. What's that line? Lead, follow or get out of the fucking way.
I'm really optimistic about this league, but like you, I'm worried the guys running it will make too many boneheaded mistakes.
But really, they're sitting on a pot of gold, I have faith in greed, it'll work out.
I agree, I don't care for the allocation system either. The fact is that if the player demands to go to a team and won't play anywhere else, you pretty much have to accomodate. Atleast if they are a big name that the league wants. If McBride won't play anywhere else, TFC has little leverage and the allocation slot means very little. We probably did benefit in the Guevara case, he was worth more than what we gave up for his rights.
I guess the Guevarra case was different as it wasn't an allocation slot.
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